|
|
Post by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 20:59:32 GMT 1
I actually visited M&S 3 times and did not tire of looking at Drans work. Im not saying Dran got lucky with this print, but with the timing after the chalks, the CYW debacle and then the Exhibit print which also sold quickly the momentum was there for the taking. The fact it is an absolute gem, which came from nowhere, without the hype for weeks also caught a few off guard, who probably thought it would be around for days only adds to the desirability for the money no object.
|
|
|
|
Post by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 21:01:53 GMT 1
While I do not agree that all of this hysteria is due to hype, I do think we need to wait and see if Drans popularity continues. Regarding the so called hype what did POW do to warrant such an accusation other than put on a couple of exhibitions, (incidentally one of which also featured other artist work) and then allowed visitors to make up their own minds, I certainly can not remember anything from POW that I would consider hype (extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion). As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! Yes the Learning to Fly is the one that has really caught the imagination and the current hysteria can not continue for long at this pace, much of the current interest could be for potential investment rather than admiration for the work, but I do believe Dran will be a major artist for a very long time to come. For one he is very young and should he not blow it, he should develop and produce many other great pieces. Added to this anybody who did visit the Marks and Stencils exhibition could have seen that there was very much more to his work than a few cute cartoons produced on odd media (did anyone take a good look at some of the oil paintings?), in fact there was quite a bit that reminded me of the versatility of Banksy without trying to be a clone. As for the unsold chalks I believe this is more due to the price and that many people are not completely aware of it and that there are prints still available for posting rather than a complete lack of interest, wait for the first chalks to hit eBay (which many now use as their window to the outside world) and the rest will disappear very quickly.
Now if you really want an example of hype just take a look at Banksy, silly Jeremy Beadle / Ant and Dec type stunts that are really nothing to do with art, other than self promotion in the national press, also recent prints that IMO are very lazy and only produced to satisfy those who would buy anything as long as it had Banksy written on it, some people should take a good look and take note of the message in the Morons print! Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc.
|
|
|
|
Post by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 21:11:21 GMT 1
On a purely selfish level I would like to see the current interest in Dran be nothing more than a result of hype and come to an abrupt end, as the way it is now I will not get another chance in the future to get pieces from an artist whose work I really admire  |
|
|
|
Post by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:17:11 GMT 1
Releasing the LTF with the book signing was also a masterstroke as after waiting in the snow to meet Dran and realising because of a 2 in 2 out policy it would be a longer wait not getting a print, it just made sense. Interestingly after a small chat a few people who were after a B&W changed their mind, swayed by the excitement of the few (like me) who were keeping warm in the glow of anticipation. Merry Christmas to all, especially the girl I stood behind who was picking up her chalks print at the same time.
|
|
|
|
Post by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:26:23 GMT 1
Next few prints will be immense either a confirmation or a leveller, either way can't wait, Le Marrilyn or however you spell it would do it for me. Lowbrow under the radar type of announcement please! So not gonna happen.
|
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Dec 23, 2010 21:29:09 GMT 1
Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway  |
|
|
|
Post by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:30:33 GMT 1
Interesting that the most popular print was the one without his character - Scribble. Loved his little hut btw.
|
|
|
|
Post by pinballwizard on Dec 23, 2010 21:34:51 GMT 1
Now the one off the bay dissappeared... Suspicious
|
|
|
|
Post by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:36:54 GMT 1
Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway That was my instant thought, hearing the title after confirming that thought That was my instant reaction then heard the title, enough said. |
|
|
|
Post by supercockle on Dec 23, 2010 21:44:04 GMT 1
I don't know whether it's hype and whether he'll maintain this momentum. I'm with Gibbin and the others that I fear I may not get a future print release. I remain grateful that I bought three of his canvases when I did for I wouldn't have been able to afford one at M&S prices and I certainly wouldn't be able to afford one if the momentum persists. I consider myself very lucky to have the view in my living room that I do, though my wife was not overly impressed that three days after putting her new Laura Ashley wallpaper up, I returned home and hung two Dran's over it.
|
|
anthoz
1 Star Member
Posts: 34
|
Post by anthoz on Dec 23, 2010 22:07:45 GMT 1
Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway whilst the obvious nod to the use of dogs in gang culture and yobbo Britain is certainly there this piece for me is far more subtle. The amalgamation of the dog by Banksy into a larger street piece symbolises that his choice of weapon,his modus operandi for commenting on modern society is art...and more specifically graffiti. The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece. |
|
|
|
Post by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 22:50:55 GMT 1
The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece. Very good point about the use of another artist styles as the weapon! I did see the the gang culture and violence in CYW (thank goodness though I wasn't there in the queue at POW to witness it for the release) and I am a big admirer of Banksy, but the latest Banksy print does not do it for me at all (possibly that may be down to my personal taste) and I can't help but feeling that Banksy is now taking the piss, a look at the TV clips chosen for the Banksy web site (especially the Harry Enfield one) further confirms my view. This is in no way a criticism of people who bought CYW as if you like and admire it good for you, but more my personal view of Banksy recent IMO lazy prints. To me the recent Banksy prints seem to me a product of out of control hype (some certainly but not all from Banksy) and had I to been lucky enough to get one at cost in the draw, it would only have been so I could have owned a piece of Banksys work, rather than having it because I admired it and really thought it a great print (the former would have been the wrong reason to have it anyway). With the Drans I bought them because I liked them (right reason for having them) and not for any investment potential or the result of hype, which before the Learning to Fly had sold out was not an issue. I also wonder if the accusations of hype are coming (in all cases) from people who actually visited one of the exhibitions or are just a conclusion made from only seeing a few bits of work (and a very limited range of work from Dran at that) now fetching silly prices on eBay. It would be just as wrong for me to base my view of Banksy as an artist and all of his work, on the last couple of (again IMO) lazy prints, if I hadn't seen much more. Dran is no different to Banksy in that you have to look a little deeper to really appreciate their worth, whether Dran continues to develop though to me is the only question, but at the moment it is looking very good. |
|
|
|
Post by agent provocateur on Dec 23, 2010 22:53:44 GMT 1
anthoz very interesting take on the image
|
|
|
|
Post by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 23:09:52 GMT 1
anthoz very interesting take on the image I second that and possibly the best coment on CYW I have seen, might even make me reconsider. |
|
rsj
2 Star Member
Posts: 381
|
Post by rsj on Dec 24, 2010 2:19:45 GMT 1
The amalgamation of the dog by Banksy into a larger street piece symbolises that his choice of weapon,his modus operandi for commenting on modern society is art...and more specifically graffiti. The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece. I would suggest that, we should consider both his CYW piece (with Keith Haring dog) and the Jeff Koon dog pieces together. Then we would see that, the Haring dog is allowed to bark freely, while the Koon dog has a mouth guard on it. It suggests to me it is about celebrating street art (and Haring would be one of the best examples), and mocking the contemporary art world. Anti-establishment and all that. Thoughts? |
|
anthoz
1 Star Member
Posts: 34
|
Post by anthoz on Dec 24, 2010 11:56:18 GMT 1
anthoz very interesting take on the image I only came to that realisation when I saw it in the flesh...that and the xmas whisky. |
|
|
|
Post by swinning on Dec 26, 2010 13:36:59 GMT 1
Call me noob.... but what has any of this CYW s**t got to do with Dran's LTF? If I wanted to read about Banksy, I'd have gone to read a Banksy thread, it's very boring, much like looking at CYW. Leave this one for Dran, Learning To Fly... the far superior. |
|
|
|
Post by gentlemental on Dec 26, 2010 14:38:05 GMT 1
ok.. you a noob.  the banksy bit was possibly the best bit on this thread... the rest ...mostly about money (yawn) |
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Dec 26, 2010 14:46:08 GMT 1
As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! My point is not about the way the barcelona show was promoted, more the fact that 2 months ago nobody cared about Dran. But as soon as POW sign him, he's the new graff god |
|
niktektonik
3 Star Member
Choose Your Trolley
Posts: 574
|
Post by niktektonik on Dec 26, 2010 17:55:10 GMT 1
As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! My point is not about the way the barcelona show was promoted, more the fact that 2 months ago nobody cared about Dran. But as soon as POW sign him, he's the new graff god Nahhhh! First of all POW released a print a year ago, which is over the "2 months ago" you speak about. And personally, maybe because I'm from near Toulouse, but anyway....sure other people heard about him. POW isn't for most of us here the only way to get to know new artists. IMO anyway.  |
|
|
|
Post by londonbridges1 on Dec 28, 2010 22:51:20 GMT 1
Need to post this : Many people who got this print are excited to have a print that speaks to them in a certain way... That's why we buy art anyway right? Well, yes and no. Many other people are excited that other people also want their print because the print speaks to them as well. ( A true collector always wants more ) ... The other bunch likes the fact that everyone wants the piece because they have one and want to sell it. For what it took to get this piece with the weather and que and all. I'd say the people who have this print really like it and it speaks to them. Sometimes the lure of loads of money is there. Its beautiful and Dran is a very prolific artist. Not every piece he has has been snatched up yet but he is also obviously maturing in his work. |
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Dec 29, 2010 0:59:26 GMT 1
anyone know what kind of bird is this featured in this print?
|
|
|
|
Post by bullet on Dec 29, 2010 1:03:14 GMT 1
anyone know what kind of bird is this featured in this print? T..T |
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Dec 29, 2010 1:06:17 GMT 1
anyone know what kind of bird is this featured in this print? T.T. hmmm...please, do expand.... |
|
|
|
Post by warmgun on Dec 29, 2010 1:10:28 GMT 1
Yeah, I'd say it was a blue T.T
|
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Dec 29, 2010 1:15:42 GMT 1
LOL - because I ain't so bright, at first I thought, but why would Freerange insult me, with "T.T"...
then I googled....and there a picture of a T.T was...
Thank you....
|
|
|
|
Post by bullet on Dec 29, 2010 1:37:53 GMT 1
LOL - because I ain't so bright, at first I thought, but why would Freerange insult me, with "T.Tquot;... then I googled....and there a picture of a T.T was... Thank you.... You must have some hardcore content filters. I google it and i get boobs. |
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Dec 29, 2010 1:41:02 GMT 1
quote] You must have some hardcore content filters. I google it and i get boobs. ha ha...include "bird"...or even "blue bird"... |
|
|
|
Post by lighterboy on Dec 29, 2010 11:53:43 GMT 1
It's a very rare multi colour hype bird, only 50 left, all held in captivity.
|
|
swan
1 Star Member
Need more Chalks
Posts: 114
|
Post by swan on Dec 29, 2010 19:03:18 GMT 1
It's a very rare multi colour hype bird, only 50 left, all held in captivity. 5 or 6 have evidently escaped and are proving expensive to find and rehouse. |
|
