hlarmy
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 11, 2010 19:42:00 GMT 1, Brad Pitt, Jude Law, Angelina Jolie, Christine Aquillera blah blah blah, get a bit sick of hearing about all these so called Celebrities, FFS i hope Cliff Richard doesnt start collecting.
Cheers for posting H though.
Brad Pitt, Jude Law, Angelina Jolie, Christine Aquillera blah blah blah, get a bit sick of hearing about all these so called Celebrities, FFS i hope Cliff Richard doesnt start collecting.
Cheers for posting H though.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by manty on Oct 11, 2010 19:57:41 GMT 1, LOL Wiz
Cliff Richard has been collecting Banksy since 2001.
Good find Hlarmy
LOL Wiz
Cliff Richard has been collecting Banksy since 2001.
Good find Hlarmy
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 11, 2010 20:04:35 GMT 1, LOL Wiz Cliff Richard has been collecting Banksy since 2001. Good find Hlarmy
Got to be joking Manty?, i know he haunts Wimbledung every year hoping for rain but Art?, congratubastardlations.
LOL Wiz Cliff Richard has been collecting Banksy since 2001. Good find Hlarmy Got to be joking Manty?, i know he haunts Wimbledung every year hoping for rain but Art?, congratubastardlations.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by fingerz on Oct 11, 2010 20:06:50 GMT 1, there all at it wiz
there all at it wiz
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by manty on Oct 11, 2010 20:07:44 GMT 1, There was a pic a while back, cant remember where i saw it, and Cliff was holding banksys ladder
There was a pic a while back, cant remember where i saw it, and Cliff was holding banksys ladder
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 11, 2010 20:10:32 GMT 1, FFS is nothing sacred anymore?. Howcome you never see that in a Laz press release along with the usual names?.
FFS is nothing sacred anymore?. Howcome you never see that in a Laz press release along with the usual names?.
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swamped
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by swamped on Oct 13, 2010 6:13:22 GMT 1, I do like and appreciate what Laz has done for the art scene in the most part, but to straight-up financially rape everyone even including his signature artist is about as crappy as it gets, greed will come back and seek it's revenge on the Steve Lazarides of the world, that you can count on! Can't take it with you Steve so dont be such a money hungry piece of.........( fill in blank yourself) ! Someone should clue him in on the fact that money dose not make you special, it means you can pay your bill easier but not special. Special people are not opportunist in general...they tend to help others rather than help themselves IMO of course. Nasty little post here.....big hug everyone sorry.. Dude just gets to me!
I do like and appreciate what Laz has done for the art scene in the most part, but to straight-up financially rape everyone even including his signature artist is about as crappy as it gets, greed will come back and seek it's revenge on the Steve Lazarides of the world, that you can count on! Can't take it with you Steve so dont be such a money hungry piece of.........( fill in blank yourself) ! Someone should clue him in on the fact that money dose not make you special, it means you can pay your bill easier but not special. Special people are not opportunist in general...they tend to help others rather than help themselves IMO of course. Nasty little post here.....big hug everyone sorry.. Dude just gets to me!
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 7:03:28 GMT 1, good post swamped, totally agree!
good post swamped, totally agree!
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nex
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by nex on Oct 13, 2010 8:11:51 GMT 1, I do like and appreciate what Laz has done for the art scene in the most part, but to straight-up financially rape everyone even including his signature artist is about as crappy as it gets, greed will come back and seek it's revenge on the Steve Lazarides of the world, that you can count on! Can't take it with you Steve so dont be such a money hungry piece of.........( fill in blank yourself) ! Someone should clue him in on the fact that money dose not make you special, it means you can pay your bill easier but not special. Special people are not opportunist in general...they tend to help others rather than help themselves IMO of course. Nasty little post here.....big hug everyone sorry.. Dude just gets to me!
wow what utter rubbish, seeing as Banksy released a DVD recently and has been quite adequately selling himself around the world. And that Steve continues to produce show after show of interesting work with artists, some of which would be close to making him no money whatsoever, I'd hardly call a purely a 'greed' driven person.
I do like and appreciate what Laz has done for the art scene in the most part, but to straight-up financially rape everyone even including his signature artist is about as crappy as it gets, greed will come back and seek it's revenge on the Steve Lazarides of the world, that you can count on! Can't take it with you Steve so dont be such a money hungry piece of.........( fill in blank yourself) ! Someone should clue him in on the fact that money dose not make you special, it means you can pay your bill easier but not special. Special people are not opportunist in general...they tend to help others rather than help themselves IMO of course. Nasty little post here.....big hug everyone sorry.. Dude just gets to me! wow what utter rubbish, seeing as Banksy released a DVD recently and has been quite adequately selling himself around the world. And that Steve continues to produce show after show of interesting work with artists, some of which would be close to making him no money whatsoever, I'd hardly call a purely a 'greed' driven person.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by Guest on Oct 13, 2010 8:22:30 GMT 1, good post swamped, totally agree! Totally disagree.
good post swamped, totally agree! Totally disagree.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 13, 2010 8:27:23 GMT 1, A greed.
A greed.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by v3rm33r on Oct 13, 2010 8:33:46 GMT 1, Not purely greed driven, but certainly likes to make (a lot of) money! Certainly released the most expensive prints from this scene that I can remember.
Not purely greed driven, but certainly likes to make (a lot of) money! Certainly released the most expensive prints from this scene that I can remember.
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swamped
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by swamped on Oct 13, 2010 8:56:22 GMT 1, All I am saying is if you have ever bought ANYTHING from him you can bet on the simple fact, he made double what the artist made from the sale. Sorry to inform you but it is a fact, know several people who have done business with Steve and.................wait for it...Suprise same story time and time again the man is simply the biggest snake in the business. Fancy partys and big name clients don't mean squadt, he is what he is.
All I am saying is if you have ever bought ANYTHING from him you can bet on the simple fact, he made double what the artist made from the sale. Sorry to inform you but it is a fact, know several people who have done business with Steve and.................wait for it...Suprise same story time and time again the man is simply the biggest snake in the business. Fancy partys and big name clients don't mean squadt, he is what he is.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by sao on Oct 13, 2010 8:58:08 GMT 1, I do like and appreciate what Laz has done for the art scene in the most part, but to straight-up financially rape everyone even including his signature artist is about as crappy as it gets, greed will come back and seek it's revenge on the Steve Lazarides of the world, that you can count on! Can't take it with you Steve so dont be such a money hungry piece of.........( fill in blank yourself) ! Someone should clue him in on the fact that money dose not make you special, it means you can pay your bill easier but not special. Special people are not opportunist in general...they tend to help others rather than help themselves IMO of course. Nasty little post here.....big hug everyone sorry.. Dude just gets to me! wow what utter rubbish, seeing as Banksy released a DVD recently and has been quite adequately selling himself around the world. And that Steve continues to produce show after show of interesting work with artists, some of which would be close to making him no money whatsoever, I'd hardly call a purely a 'greed' driven person.
Odd counter argument to use Banksy making dvd and marketing his work.
Anyway, I don't know what goes on between laz and an artist but most people that do not like laz and the way they do business got their fingers burnt buying expensive prints. Laz are a business and im not aware they have held a gun to anyone's head to buy something. Those lining up a few years back for a 1 grand mica expecting to sell for a 200% profit are the greedy ones.
I do like and appreciate what Laz has done for the art scene in the most part, but to straight-up financially rape everyone even including his signature artist is about as crappy as it gets, greed will come back and seek it's revenge on the Steve Lazarides of the world, that you can count on! Can't take it with you Steve so dont be such a money hungry piece of.........( fill in blank yourself) ! Someone should clue him in on the fact that money dose not make you special, it means you can pay your bill easier but not special. Special people are not opportunist in general...they tend to help others rather than help themselves IMO of course. Nasty little post here.....big hug everyone sorry.. Dude just gets to me! wow what utter rubbish, seeing as Banksy released a DVD recently and has been quite adequately selling himself around the world. And that Steve continues to produce show after show of interesting work with artists, some of which would be close to making him no money whatsoever, I'd hardly call a purely a 'greed' driven person. Odd counter argument to use Banksy making dvd and marketing his work. Anyway, I don't know what goes on between laz and an artist but most people that do not like laz and the way they do business got their fingers burnt buying expensive prints. Laz are a business and im not aware they have held a gun to anyone's head to buy something. Those lining up a few years back for a 1 grand mica expecting to sell for a 200% profit are the greedy ones.
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hlarmy
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by hlarmy on Oct 13, 2010 9:30:09 GMT 1, All I am saying is if you have ever bought ANYTHING from him you can bet on the simple fact, he made double what the artist made from the sale. Sorry to inform you but it is a fact, know several people who have done business with Steve and.................wait for it...Suprise same story time and time again the man is simply the biggest snake in the business. Fancy partys and big name clients don't mean squadt, he is what he is.
I find it hard to believe that Laz takes 66% and the artist 33% of any sale. Isn't the norm around 50:50?
All I am saying is if you have ever bought ANYTHING from him you can bet on the simple fact, he made double what the artist made from the sale. Sorry to inform you but it is a fact, know several people who have done business with Steve and.................wait for it...Suprise same story time and time again the man is simply the biggest snake in the business. Fancy partys and big name clients don't mean squadt, he is what he is. I find it hard to believe that Laz takes 66% and the artist 33% of any sale. Isn't the norm around 50:50?
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by Daniel Silk on Oct 13, 2010 9:32:51 GMT 1, I can see this discussion might get a bit heated so please try to keep this civilized.
Thanks you!
I can see this discussion might get a bit heated so please try to keep this civilized. Thanks you!
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 13, 2010 10:01:04 GMT 1, Maybe an Artist should expect to agree to a lesser or greater than 50% cut of the profits depending on the profile of the Gallery? just like any other trade / business there are better Galleries than others esp. when you factor in the cost publicity machine/ advertising and exposure etc. rather than just having a picture of the Artworks on their websites and waiting for an enquiry from a prospective punter. Just saying.
Maybe an Artist should expect to agree to a lesser or greater than 50% cut of the profits depending on the profile of the Gallery? just like any other trade / business there are better Galleries than others esp. when you factor in the cost publicity machine/ advertising and exposure etc. rather than just having a picture of the Artworks on their websites and waiting for an enquiry from a prospective punter. Just saying.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by Daniel Silk on Oct 13, 2010 10:08:57 GMT 1, I think many of the bigger named Artists have moved away from solid connections with galleries, coz they know with the use of the internet they can promote and sell their own work. The Artists are in a much stronger position now than they were years ago I think
I think many of the bigger named Artists have moved away from solid connections with galleries, coz they know with the use of the internet they can promote and sell their own work. The Artists are in a much stronger position now than they were years ago I think
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hlarmy
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by hlarmy on Oct 13, 2010 10:12:11 GMT 1, Maybe an Artist should expect to agree to a lesser or greater than 50% cut of the profits depending on the profile of the Gallery? just like any other trade / business there are better Galleries than others esp. when you factor in the cost publicity machine/ advertising and exposure etc. rather than just having a picture of the Artworks on their websites and waiting for an enquiry from a prospective punter. Just saying.
Very true Wiz; if the artist is a pretty much unknown and is then given the opportunity to work with a gallery like Lazarides, it may well be in his long term interest to accept less than 50%. Having said that, if this is the case, the artist's work is likely to be quite low in value and less than 50% would not give much to the artist at all, although I guess it could be argued that it would be worth taking a short term hit in long run. Just saying
Maybe an Artist should expect to agree to a lesser or greater than 50% cut of the profits depending on the profile of the Gallery? just like any other trade / business there are better Galleries than others esp. when you factor in the cost publicity machine/ advertising and exposure etc. rather than just having a picture of the Artworks on their websites and waiting for an enquiry from a prospective punter. Just saying. Very true Wiz; if the artist is a pretty much unknown and is then given the opportunity to work with a gallery like Lazarides, it may well be in his long term interest to accept less than 50%. Having said that, if this is the case, the artist's work is likely to be quite low in value and less than 50% would not give much to the artist at all, although I guess it could be argued that it would be worth taking a short term hit in long run. Just saying
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nex
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by nex on Oct 13, 2010 10:12:24 GMT 1, wow what utter rubbish, seeing as Banksy released a DVD recently and has been quite adequately selling himself around the world. And that Steve continues to produce show after show of interesting work with artists, some of which would be close to making him no money whatsoever, I'd hardly call a purely a 'greed' driven person. Odd counter argument to use Banksy making dvd and marketing his work. Anyway, I don't know what goes on between laz and an artist but most people that do not like laz and the way they do business got their fingers burnt buying expensive prints. Laz are a business and im not aware they have held a gun to anyone's head to buy something. Those lining up a few years back for a 1 grand mica expecting to sell for a 200% profit are the greedy ones.
sometimes I wonder if I know what I'm saying, anyway was refering to this rather juicy line
'financially rape everyone even including his signature artist'
which i assumed meant Banksy (back when they worked together) and was just pointing out that making money wasn't solely the preserve of Laz. This discussion is one of those grey areas he's not all good nor all bad, but saying stuff like the above is a bit, well, ridiculous.
wow what utter rubbish, seeing as Banksy released a DVD recently and has been quite adequately selling himself around the world. And that Steve continues to produce show after show of interesting work with artists, some of which would be close to making him no money whatsoever, I'd hardly call a purely a 'greed' driven person. Odd counter argument to use Banksy making dvd and marketing his work. Anyway, I don't know what goes on between laz and an artist but most people that do not like laz and the way they do business got their fingers burnt buying expensive prints. Laz are a business and im not aware they have held a gun to anyone's head to buy something. Those lining up a few years back for a 1 grand mica expecting to sell for a 200% profit are the greedy ones. sometimes I wonder if I know what I'm saying, anyway was refering to this rather juicy line 'financially rape everyone even including his signature artist' which i assumed meant Banksy (back when they worked together) and was just pointing out that making money wasn't solely the preserve of Laz. This discussion is one of those grey areas he's not all good nor all bad, but saying stuff like the above is a bit, well, ridiculous.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 13, 2010 10:14:36 GMT 1, Like Jedwood, they can either be managed by Simon Cowbell for a 75% cut or Sweaty Betty's talent school for 50%, no competition. IMO.
Like Jedwood, they can either be managed by Simon Cowbell for a 75% cut or Sweaty Betty's talent school for 50%, no competition. IMO.
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hlarmy
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by hlarmy on Oct 13, 2010 10:19:27 GMT 1, I think many of the bigger named Artists have moved away from solid connections with galleries, coz they know with the use of the internet they can promote and sell their own work. The Artists are in a much stronger position now than they were years ago I think
I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing!
I think many of the bigger named Artists have moved away from solid connections with galleries, coz they know with the use of the internet they can promote and sell their own work. The Artists are in a much stronger position now than they were years ago I think I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing!
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 13, 2010 10:23:35 GMT 1, Get with the times H for Christs sake, its "Respec" not "Respect" sheesh!.
H, my email is working again by the way, think the servants went down or summat?.
Get with the times H for Christs sake, its "Respec" not "Respect" sheesh!.
H, my email is working again by the way, think the servants went down or summat?.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by wizzy on Oct 13, 2010 10:32:12 GMT 1, Speck of blood to you Plurker, everything is well banging here at present. Also apparently i am so well i am ill, Dude.
Speck of blood to you Plurker, everything is well banging here at present. Also apparently i am so well i am ill, Dude.
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by Daniel Silk on Oct 13, 2010 10:45:08 GMT 1, I think many of the bigger named Artists have moved away from solid connections with galleries, coz they know with the use of the internet they can promote and sell their own work. The Artists are in a much stronger position now than they were years ago I think I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing!
Yeah, maybe, but is that really so important in a scene like this I dunno
I think many of the bigger named Artists have moved away from solid connections with galleries, coz they know with the use of the internet they can promote and sell their own work. The Artists are in a much stronger position now than they were years ago I think I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing! Yeah, maybe, but is that really so important in a scene like this I dunno
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by nex on Oct 13, 2010 10:51:48 GMT 1, I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing! Yeah, maybe, but is that really so important in a scene like this I dunno
examples please?
I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing! Yeah, maybe, but is that really so important in a scene like this I dunno examples please?
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by recycle on Oct 13, 2010 11:00:44 GMT 1, Laz - Hirst - Robin Hood........ Which one's the odd one out?
Laz - Hirst - Robin Hood........ Which one's the odd one out?
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hlarmy
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by hlarmy on Oct 13, 2010 11:02:25 GMT 1, I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing! Yeah, maybe, but is that really so important in a scene like this I dunno
Well I actually think it's very important Silky, especially in a scene like this - there are too many artists who introduce themselves on here, get a couple of sales and sign up to a small gallery, often an online gallery, who in my opinion does very little for them apart from doubling their prices and charging their 50%, effectively killing any momentum they initially build in the first place.
Often the gallery doesn't even have a space to exhibit the work so they just do an online release every few months. If an artist is going to sign up to a gallery that takes their 50%, I would personally want to know what I'm getting in return. I've seen this happen quite a lot over the past few years, and unsurprisingly many of them do not exist any more and the artists they signed up are now struggling having had some strong initial interest in their work.
On the other side of the coin, although I haven't had anything thing to do with Lazarides apart from a few purchases, I do have quite a bit of respect for what he does and what he can offer any new artists that join him. Only this year has he has some very successful shows in Rathbone Street, not to mention the hugely successful shows in LA and now Hell's Half Acre. That adds value to the artist, increases exposure and helps to build his / her career. Too many galleries lack the drive, ambition, contacts, marketing skills etc etc to add any value and those are the ones to stay clear of; if you can't sign up to a gallery who has any of these, then as you say it's best to go it alone and hope that one day one of them does come knocking...
Rant over
I'm not sure I agree with whether this is true; I would argue that at the start of an artist's career it is best to go solo in order to keep prices down and build a collector base / demand. However if an artist wants to progress he / she needs mainstream representation - it's a respect thing! Yeah, maybe, but is that really so important in a scene like this I dunno Well I actually think it's very important Silky, especially in a scene like this - there are too many artists who introduce themselves on here, get a couple of sales and sign up to a small gallery, often an online gallery, who in my opinion does very little for them apart from doubling their prices and charging their 50%, effectively killing any momentum they initially build in the first place. Often the gallery doesn't even have a space to exhibit the work so they just do an online release every few months. If an artist is going to sign up to a gallery that takes their 50%, I would personally want to know what I'm getting in return. I've seen this happen quite a lot over the past few years, and unsurprisingly many of them do not exist any more and the artists they signed up are now struggling having had some strong initial interest in their work. On the other side of the coin, although I haven't had anything thing to do with Lazarides apart from a few purchases, I do have quite a bit of respect for what he does and what he can offer any new artists that join him. Only this year has he has some very successful shows in Rathbone Street, not to mention the hugely successful shows in LA and now Hell's Half Acre. That adds value to the artist, increases exposure and helps to build his / her career. Too many galleries lack the drive, ambition, contacts, marketing skills etc etc to add any value and those are the ones to stay clear of; if you can't sign up to a gallery who has any of these, then as you say it's best to go it alone and hope that one day one of them does come knocking... Rant over
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Banksy's ex-Gallerist talks about their breakup..., by Daniel Silk on Oct 13, 2010 11:08:57 GMT 1, Yeah, very true! there are Galleries, and then there are galleries.
Yeah, very true! there are Galleries, and then there are galleries.
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