BANKSY HITS ANDIPA!?

[senna]

driving Past the Andipa gallery today my eyes nearly popped out of my head when i saw this












took forever to find parking.

went in and asked what was going on??

basically this is what he said:

"It was sprayed sometime in the evening (last night) and, as the bar opposite us is usually open until midnight it was probably executed between then and early morning. If it is real then great but I really do not think it is - it doesn't really make sense and therefore makes me feel very uncomfortable."

i can't make my mind up yet

The guy was straight up about it & wasn't trying to insinuate it was genuine, but what if it is?

obviously mr B's gangsta stencil

what about the application?

what d'ya reckon people?

P.S. this is not a wind-up

Looks real enough..

Edit: Changed my mind.....it's a fake. ;D

[victorwilliams]

In my eyes that not the real deal, its not that great and surely Bankys would go to the effort of making it look like the rat was sitting on the strip of metal rather than it floating in mid air because the sprayer could be bothered to position the stencil correctly.

Bought on ebay for 1.99 and sprayed by some kak handed drunk. About as real as the bristol "cut out n keep" piece.

[benya]

I doubt he'd go to all that effort to spray an old stencil he has done that many times before

definitely not convinced

When you look at the real deal it becomes clear its a fake...



Taken from: www.artofthestate.co.uk/Banksy/banksy_spitalfields_rat.htm

[Ågentßacardi]

Don't think it's real either. I think it's more of the gallery trying to generate a buzz. Besides, would Banksy ever tag the walls of a gallery that's charging exorbitant prices for (and thus capitalizing off) his work? If it were POW or Laz, I could sorta/kinda see it, but definitely not Andipa IMO.

Just my 2¢

agentbacardi said:

I think it's more of the gallery trying to generate a buzz.

Yeah I was think that. It was more the location than the acutal art work that made me start to doubt it.

senna said:

arcam? make your mind up

Andipa's wall is really uneven surface

just playing devils advocate

Yeah I'm made my mind up it's a fake. ;D

[senna]

only asked as you were on both sides of the fence

no need to take a point away

like i said, he didn't try & make out it was real & i said i doubted it for several reasons:

placement
application
image chosen

if it wasnt the gallery (abit of a cheap/unimaginative stunt for a Top gallery thats been around for atleast a couple of hundred years) why would someone do that?

hope we don't start seeing loads of fake Banksy's everywhere.

[noodle]

numusic said:

Bought on ebay for 1.99 and sprayed by some kak handed drunk. About as real as the bristol "cut out n keep" piece.

Agree with Nuart fake

senna said:

only asked as you were on both sides of the fence

no need to take a point away

I didn't.... Honestly.

id say fake, is the andipa still on ??? if so where abouts cheers !!!!!!!!!!!

[senna]

www.andipamodern.com/

[senna]

arcam said:

senna said:

only asked as you were on both sides of the fence

no need to take a point away

I didn't.... Honestly.

thanks for the pm.

agreed.

[Ågentßacardi]

senna said:

arcam said:

I didn't.... Honestly.

thanks for the pm.

agreed.

There's a disgruntled respect point 'serial killer' out there at the moment Don't worry, he/she is being watched very closely.

A general note: If anyone out there has problems with the whole respect system, it does NOT give you a right to drag innocent people into your agenda by sniping their points off. So please respect your fellow forum-mates, alright? Please... play nice!!

It is some glossy-ass furniture paint from Kmart or something.

Fake and lame.

[ABC]

Real or not, it will be interesting to see if Andipa keep it as IMO its not the look they would want to keep once the Banksy show finishes.

[lesroy]

Thanx for showing us the picture Senna... its a shame if it is not real as it would have been wicked to know that Banksy was back out in the street with his cans of steel!

For me I think its a fake as the right foot (as we look att it) has not the usual detail.

Respect for finding us summat interesting to discuss geezer (hmmm 27 now... how appropriate?!)

[taco]

Fake i say, fake. No doubt done by gallery to give impression that show's been "blessed" by banksy. Think Mr.B would have steciled some where in a low corner or somewhere. Definaltly not in mid air....

[Strangers Almanac]

Here's my 2 cents worth - I too think this is a fake!

It's not necessarily the lack of detail or overspray which convince me it's a fake. Many confirmed Banksy's have a lot of overspray and aren't particularly clean in finish - take a look at many of the rats in Wall and Piece, including the Gangsta rat for example. On that particular wall surface, which looks textured in the photos, it'd be pretty hard not to get some overspray and lose definition. That said, the actual stencil looks a lot like one of the ebay stencils (as Nu mentioned) and the paint doesn't seem right (as per Absyrd). Moreover, I just don't think Mr B would be overtly endorsing Andipa, as many others have commented.

Regardless whether Andipa had a hand in this or not or even whether it's Banksy (I personally think it'll turn out to be a fellow forum member), it's definitely a good publicity opportunity for the Gallery. Quick call to a tabloid news office and you've got Andipa in the papers again. As for what will happen to it - IMO they'll buff it once they've had a chance to use the publicity.

[Curley]

IMO if Banksy tagged Andipa he would have done something much more intelligent than putting a Ghetto Rat outside.

Surely he would have put up "i cant believe you morons buy this s**t" or "Sale ends"

i think they will have done this themselves.

curley said:

IMO if Banksy tagged Andipa he would have done something much more intelligent than putting a Ghetto Rat outside.

Surely he would have put up "i cant believe you morons buy this s**t" or "Sale ends"

LOL........yeah you're right.

[Daniel Silk]

numusic said:

Bought on ebay for 1.99 and sprayed by some kak handed drunk. About as real as the bristol "cut out n keep" piece.

Yeah Im with you on this one ;D The stencil dunt look right just a publicity stunt by the gallery

curley said:

IMO if Banksy tagged Andipa he would have done something much more intelligent than putting a Ghetto Rat outside.

Surely he would have put up "i cant believe you morons buy this s**t" or "Sale ends"

i think they will have done this themselves.

Not sure they'd have done it themselves, but totally agree about the subject matter.

I'm sure Banksy would have done something more relevant.

[senna]

as said previously,i really dont believe a place like Andipa would pull such a cheap stunt. If it was them, it would be plastered all over the papers already.

i also think its a forum member.

as Curly said, SALE ENDS/MORONS would have been a much better choice.

let's all just say, FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE:it was not the gallery. It wasn't Banksy & it wasn't me(promise).

what do people think about someone tagging places with mr.B's images?

i don't think i like the idea

[blacksy]

Hmmmm, a Gallery like the Andipa must have CCTV, surely if they werent interested in the attention they'd be looking to prosecute!
In no way do i reckon its a Banksy, i reckon its a publicity stunt! possibly by the gallery, but i wouldnt have thought it was their style.
I reckon someone on here's decided to take "matters into their own hands"

[Strangers Almanac]

Senna - funnily enough, I was almost tempted to start a separate thread posing that very same question.

Firstly, the phenomenon of copy-cat Bankys on the streets is by no means a new thing. The rats and many of the other simple Banksy images have cropped up all over the world. I'm pretty certain the majority of them were not sprayed by Banksy himself. These days, you don't even have to go to the trouble of cutting the stencil yourself to get in on the action.

The fact that they're not sprayed by Banksy doesn't actually bother me. Providing of course that they're well executed and sprayed in places where they have some relevance. Regardless of who sprayed them, they are and will remain Banksy images. Reading Banksy's comments about his rats - I feel that other people spraying them actually fits in with the ethos of those particular images. I really wouldn't be surprised to hear that he likes seeing his little vermin spread without control. Not that I think he necessarily encourages it, like say Space Invader does for example. However, a Banksy rat stencil was given away with Bizarre magazine some years back, presumably with Mr B's approval.

That's not to say that it doesn't annoy me that people will go out stenciling and risk arrest, but can't even be bothered to come up with their own images. These individuals certainly can't be considered street artists. I also wouldn't approve of a gallery, like Andipa, spraying a fake in an effort to generate publicity, though as I stated before I don't believe they're responsible for it. Though whoever did has done them a favour!

[Michael Jacob]

does anyone have a price list on how much they are asking for the pieces?

[Curley]

jjoschi44 said:

Senna - funnily enough, I was almost tempted to start a separate thread posing that very same question.

Firstly, the phenomenon of copy-cat Bankys on the streets is by no means a new thing. The rats and many of the other simple Banksy images have cropped up all over the world. I'm pretty certain the majority of them were not sprayed by Banksy himself. These days, you don't even have to go to the trouble of cutting the stencil yourself to get in on the action.

The fact that they're not sprayed by Banksy doesn't actually bother me. Providing of course that they're well executed and sprayed in places where they have some relevance. Regardless of who sprayed them, they are and will remain Banksy images. Reading Banksy's comments about his rats - I feel that other people spraying them actually fits in with the ethos of those particular images. I really wouldn't be surprised to hear that he likes seeing his little vermin spread without control. Not that I think he necessarily encourages it, like say Space Invader does for example. However, a Banksy rat stencil was given away with Bizarre magazine some years back, presumably with Mr B's approval.

That's not to say that it doesn't annoy me that people will go out stenciling and risk arrest, but can't even be bothered to come up with their own images. These individuals certainly can't be considered street artists. I also wouldn't approve of a gallery, like Andipa, spraying a fake in an effort to generate publicity, though as I stated before I don't believe they're responsible for it. Though whoever did has done them a favour!

i agree about the rats appearing all over, its a little like the way Obey does things and no one has issue with that.

Imagine getting caught and trying to convince the Police that your not really banksy and you were copying his style and images.

"Thats what they all say son, off to the cells with you" ;D ;D ;D