Damien Hirst "The Souls" 7th Oct

[gritty]

These are great but, for that amount of cash I'd rather an original from WTM at Stolen Space tonight.
In an ideal world I'll have both though - thanks!

Oct 7, 2010 9:32:06 GMT 1 gritty said:

These are great but, for that amount of cash I'd rather an original from WTM at Stolen Space tonight.
In an ideal world I'll have both though - thanks!

Fair point. When I start spending that kind of money though, personally I need to know im not going to have lost it all in 5-10 years

[theycallmestephen]

Oct 7, 2010 10:49:45 GMT 1 @walshy said:

Fair point. When I start spending that kind of money though, personally I need to know im not going to have lost it all in 5-10 years

Don't buy art then

nice but very "OVERKILL" on the butterflies

[nineo]

Went there yesterday, they are very nice and are £2,000 a pop

[nineo]

Oct 7, 2010 11:00:58 GMT 1 theycallmestephen said:

Oct 7, 2010 10:49:45 GMT 1 @walshy said:

Fair point. When I start spending that kind of money though, personally I need to know im not going to have lost it all in 5-10 years

Don't buy art then

You should buy art because you like it not see it as a way to make money

[nex]

Oct 8, 2010 12:31:43 GMT 1 nineo said:

Went there yesterday, they are very nice and are £2,000 a pop

they are 3k + Vat

Oct 7, 2010 11:00:58 GMT 1 theycallmestephen said:

Oct 7, 2010 10:49:45 GMT 1 @walshy said:

Fair point. When I start spending that kind of money though, personally I need to know im not going to have lost it all in 5-10 years

Don't buy art then

er... u mean expensive art ?

Im more than happy to fill my walls with £100-500 prints, although maybe 4k is not much money to you ? so u can afford to spunk 5k on art without looking at things realistically... im happy for you

Oct 8, 2010 12:33:21 GMT 1 nineo said:

Oct 7, 2010 11:00:58 GMT 1 theycallmestephen said:

Don't buy art then

You should buy art because you like it not see it as a way to make money

Did I say anything about making money ?

Personally im in no position to chuck 4k at a piece of art without havin a small idea that I can get my money back in 5 years... no profit was ever mentioned

[theycallmestephen]

Oct 8, 2010 15:43:03 GMT 1 @walshy said:

Im more than happy to fill my walls with £100-500 prints, although maybe 4k is not much money to you ? so u can afford to spunk 5k on art without looking at things realistically... im happy for you

What?? You know nothing about me or how much I can afford to spend on what I choose to buy. My comment was in response to Gritty’s who said he would rather buy a 1 off original than a print of the same price, or even more, from an edition of 4800 odd and I happen to agree.

And what do you mean lost it all in 5-10 years? Would the enjoyment of having had it on your wall for that period of time not have made it worthwhile? You would only have lost something if you saw it primarily in monetary value and if that is the case I stand by my comment, don’t buy art.

Oct 8, 2010 16:13:34 GMT 1 theycallmestephen said:

Oct 8, 2010 15:43:03 GMT 1 @walshy said:

Im more than happy to fill my walls with £100-500 prints, although maybe 4k is not much money to you ? so u can afford to spunk 5k on art without looking at things realistically... im happy for you

What?? You know nothing about me or how much I can afford to spend on what I choose to buy. My comment was in response to Gritty’s who said he would rather buy a 1 off original than a print of the same price, or even more, from an edition of 4800 odd and I happen to agree.

And what do you mean lost it all in 5-10 years? Would the enjoyment of having had it on your wall for that period of time not have made it worthwhile? You would only have lost something if you saw it primarily in monetary value and if that is the case I stand by my comment, don’t buy art.

My bad, thought it was another comment replying to me.... beings it was myself you quoted

I too stand by my comment that I dont have 5k to disappear over 5 years. Id rather buy a poster and stick to spending up to £500 a piece, unless im trading up.. I can not justify spending more than that.

Im happy to lose 5-£600 on art, sorry if that does not live up to your expectations of a collector

[theycallmestephen]

Walshy, do you realise you are no longer talking about the original point??

You originally said that when you start spending that sort of money (£5000) you would need to know that you weren’t going to have lost it all within 5 – 10 years. You are now saying that you cannot afford to spend £5k on art but are happy to lose 5-£600. How is that in the least relevant to the argument??

Your original point was in response to Gritty saying he would rather buying a wtm original than a Hirst edition of 4,800 or so. You said you would need to know you could potentially get your money back on whatever you bought, if you were to spend £5k, suggesting the wtm canvas lose value and the Hirst would hold it’s value.

I said don’t buy art because it is ultimately something you cannot predict future monetary worth and should be about the image, reasoning behind this and the artist in my opinion. I would rather have an original that I enjoy over a 5-10 year period that loses whatever it was once worth in comparison to a generic print that will hopefully hold some value. When/if I can ever afford to spend £5k on a piece of art this will still be the same.

I was going to go on but I’ve seen this post by you belittling Cedric Mnich’s latest piece

Oct 8, 2010 17:31:24 GMT 1 @walshy said:

well done for trying, but if I was you id go back to stocks and shares.

Also this from your artist statement... 'I sincerely hope that my art will gain value with time' ...is not what making art should be about

Do you realise in your need to get your pointless drivel into every thread you trip yourself up and end up spouting s**t. Go on, prove me wrong, let this thread die….I dare you

Oct 8, 2010 17:54:17 GMT 1 theycallmestephen said:

Walshy, do you realise you are no longer talking about the original point??

You originally said that when you start spending that sort of money (£5000) you would need to know that you weren’t going to have lost it all within 5 – 10 years. You are now saying that you cannot afford to spend £5k on art but are happy to lose 5-£600. How is that in the least relevant to the argument??

er.... u pretty much saying I shouldnt buy art if im not prepared to lose money, I simply told you what I am prepared to lose. Check my last 100 posts if you like and see how negative I really am .. Im sorry if you think its drivel but its my opinions

[theycallmestephen]

Amazing...you can't help yourself

Sorry mate, better things to do than to check your last 100 posts, i've got a life and it's 6pm on a friday

Oct 8, 2010 18:11:25 GMT 1 theycallmestephen said:

Amazing...you can't help yourself

Sorry mate, better things to do than to check your last 100 posts, i've got a life and it's 6pm on a friday

now who cant help themselves, you reply to my PM yet carry it on here ?

[johnstoops]

God there are a lot of people on this board who lose the script rather quickly. Relax. It's art. We're meant to enjoy it. To each his own.

[nacional]

To get back on track, those butterflys (and I guess the plural of a print that goes by the name of butterfly is butterflys not butterflies...pedantic...moi!!) are really quite beautiful..I would love to have a brace of them on my wall..

[sandchicken]

I do really like some of these butterfly prints, but the price for something that is essentially an edition of 4,800 seems really excessive. Something like For the Love of God had a lower edition size and a lower price, and has still not sold out. His The Dead series cost about 50% more, but had 10% of the edition size and the same printing method. Do you think there is any chance The Souls ever sells out, or the price is lowered?

[printguru]

Very good review of the show in the Independent today

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/reviews/damien-hirst-the-souls-paul-stolper-gallery-london-2100862.html

enter promo code 'carbane' during checkout to get 50% off

[printguru]

The dead opening price was I think £3,000+ vat so the same as the souls. Retail on the skulls is now 4k+ vat, and I am of the understanding that only a handful remain.

Of course it'll take longer for the Souls to sell out, but sell out they will. I doubt very much the price will come down, and I doubt it'll increase either.

I'd have liked to have seen them retail at £1800+vat, and at that level I would have bought two no questions asked, at 3k, I'm thinking about other things and don't feel compelled to buy immediately. Also the show at PS only had 140 of the works on view, there are 320 in the series, how could I choose if I've not seen them all?

[sandchicken]

That's true about not being able to see them all. I guess I don't really have a problem with the price, its just the edition size. The Dead had 30 colorways vs. The Souls having 80.

[printguru]

Hi sand exactly, that's why I'd have preferred a price at £1,800 at that level the edition size wouldn't bother me, at 3 it does, in that I feel no urge to buy now or regret later, the colour ways are not varied enough to worry if one sells out.

These are expensive prints to produce and I cannot say I am surprised at the price, but I think with the numbers involved there should have been something of a better offer, even if it was a pre-pub or opening week saving of 20-30%

Oct 8, 2010 20:00:27 GMT 1 printguru said:

These are expensive prints to produce and I cannot say I am surprised at the price

I think you're giving these far too much credit. I'd put money on +90% of the price being down to the name.

[printguru]

I have to say I disagree there Ross. The are technically very accomplished, there is no-one else, at the moment, using the foil blocking process, indeed there have been few artists to successfully use it at all. I feel these, like the skulls really do work as images.

Sure if they were by anyone else the price would be lower, but they are by Hirst and you pay a price for that. However, compared to other editions by him they are affordable. Blue chip artist, blue chip price.

Oct 8, 2010 20:41:03 GMT 1 printguru said:

I have to say I disagree there Ross. The are technically very accomplished, there is no-one else, at the moment, using the foil blocking process, indeed there have been few artists to successfully use it at all. I feel these, like the skulls really do work as images.

Sure if they were by anyone else the price would be lower, but they are by Hirst and you pay a price for that. However, compared to other editions by him they are affordable. Blue chip artist, blue chip price.

My friend bought two as an investment after I was gabbing on about Hirst and Butterflies and the beauty of the prints etc, I didn't even get a drink out of it!
Not sure whether to leap in there myself, though they are quite striking, but £3.5K is a lot to sling these days....

Oct 8, 2010 20:41:03 GMT 1 printguru said:

I have to say I disagree there Ross. The are technically very accomplished, there is no-one else, at the moment, using the foil blocking process, indeed there have been few artists to successfully use it at all. I feel these, like the skulls really do work as images.

Sure if they were by anyone else the price would be lower, but they are by Hirst and you pay a price for that. However, compared to other editions by him they are affordable. Blue chip artist, blue chip price.

Isn't foil block used for christmas cards?

Yes Spenie, and also for Blocking Foils.

[volvic]

i like these but the edition size vs the price puts me off, i would rather bite the bullet and pay 4k for one of the skull prints.

[Daniel Silk]

Damien Hirst Butterflies - www.metropolisartworks.com/