Urban Art Awards - Awards Manufacture

Aug 24, 2010 14:37:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

This is exactly what I was talking about people who have come to some very strange conclusions, and then when they don't actually match reality they seem to prefer to believe the fiction rather then the facts.

Try listening to my answers coz I have nothing to hide! so why treat me like I have.

Excuse me? Is this post relating the concerns i asked about?

As the owner of this business you should always be willing to answer any questions openly and honestly without telling the person asking the questions that they feel victimised , especially and even more so when you are asking the public to donate money to your business. If you feel my legitmate concerns and queries were some form of personal attack on you and your business then i am very sorry indeed.

[Daniel Silk]

Aug 24, 2010 14:48:59 GMT 1 @aprilla2 said:

Aug 24, 2010 14:37:50 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

This is exactly what I was talking about people who have come to some very strange conclusions, and then when they don't actually match reality they seem to prefer to believe the fiction rather then the facts.

Try listening to my answers coz I have nothing to hide! so why treat me like I have.

Excuse me? Is this post relating the concerns i asked about?

As the owner of this business you should always be willing to answer any questions openly and honestly without telling the person asking the questions that they feel victimised , especially and even more so when you are asking the public to donate money to your business. If you feel my legitmate concerns and queries were some form of personal attack on you and your business then i am very sorry indeed.

"even more so when you are asking the public to donate money to your business." we have already concluded that thats NOT the case, but you continue!

When you come out with bits like this "you could just be going out and getting pissed on it for all anybody knows"

[adamk]

Aug 24, 2010 14:57:47 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Aug 24, 2010 14:48:59 GMT 1 @aprilla2 said:

Excuse me? Is this post relating the concerns i asked about?

As the owner of this business you should always be willing to answer any questions openly and honestly without telling the person asking the questions that they feel victimised , especially and even more so when you are asking the public to donate money to your business. If you feel my legitmate concerns and queries were some form of personal attack on you and your business then i am very sorry indeed.

"even more so when you are asking the public to donate money to your business." we have already concluded that thats NOT the case, but you continue!

When you come out with bits like this "you could just be going out and getting pissed on it for all anybody knows"

Silky,

I don't normally get involved with threads like this, but Silky, I think it's evident that you've misinterpreted aprilla here.

The questions being asked are valid questions. You don't have to answer them, but as someone who has run a few businesses in my time, you should acknowledge them as sensible queries that are likely to be put to you.

It is very important to be squeaky clean in your professional life and to keep personal matters entirely separate. The best way to ensure confidence is complete transparency and this often requires 'over communication' and the involvement of others, such as an independent treasurer.

Needless to say, this is in no way personal. I've never read anything about you either on or off this forum and I enjoy this forum and thank you for it.

Just my advice. Up to you if you follow it.

Regards,

Adam.

[Daniel Silk]

Aug 24, 2010 15:10:16 GMT 1 adamk said:

Aug 24, 2010 14:57:47 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

"even more so when you are asking the public to donate money to your business." we have already concluded that thats NOT the case, but you continue!

When you come out with bits like this "you could just be going out and getting pissed on it for all anybody knows"

Silky,

I don't normally get involved with threads like this, but Silky, I think it's evident that you've misinterpreted aprilla here.

The questions being asked are valid questions. You don't have to answer them, but as someone who has run a few businesses in my time, you should acknowledge them as sensible queries that are likely to be put to you.

It is very important to be squeaky clean in your professional life and to keep personal matters entirely separate. The best way to ensure confidence is complete transparency and this often requires 'over communication' and the involvement of others, such as an independent treasurer.

Needless to say, this is in no way personal. I've never read anything about you either on or off this forum and I enjoy this forum and thank you for it.

Just my advice. Up to you if you follow it.

Regards,

Adam.

Thanks Adam

I'm always open to questions, the problem is that rather than asking a simple question, I seem to get bizarre accusations and even after I have answered their questions they dont take any notice of it, and continue to ramble on about things that are totally untrue and unrelated.

Hmmm I don't really see where he rambled on.

[Daniel Silk]

If anyone has any questions please ask them.
Try to keep it nice and simple so I can give Yes/No answers, so its easier for everyone to understand.

Thanks!

I have friends coming this week to Supper...... Lemon or Chocolate Cheesecake?, will be having slow cooked Lamb with white Beans as the main (i wont be doing the cooking btw).

[Daniel Silk]

I will start it off

1. Do the awards cost anything to manufacture? YES, but I'm trying to keep the costs as low as possible, while ending up with a quality award.

2. Could the awards be made for free? YES they could, but I have not had an offer like that confirmed yet.

2. Do you take any money out of the awards? NO, any money raised for the awards goes into making them better in the future.

3. Do you make money from the forum? YES, running the forums is my job.

4. Will you be giving money to the awards? YES, I will probably end up covering most of the costs out of my own pocket.

5. If money is left after this awards, what will happen to it? It will be saved for the following years awards.

6. Does it cost members anything to nominate, vote and take part in the awards? NO

7. Does it cost members anything to join and take part in this forum? NO

[Daniel Silk]

8. Is the Urban Art Awards a registered not for profit business? NO

9. Is the Urban Art Association a registered not for profit business? NO

[jakek]

Aug 24, 2010 15:44:09 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I will start it off

1. Do the awards cost anything to manufacture? YES, but I'm trying to keep the costs as low as possible, while ending up with a quality award.

2. Could the awards be made for free? YES they could, but I have not had an offer like that confirmed yet.

2. Do you take any money out of the awards? NO, any money raised for the awards goes into making them better in the future.

3. Do you make money from the forum? YES, running the forums is my job.

4. Will you be giving money to the awards? YES, I will probably end up covering most of the costs out of my own pocket.

5. If money is left after this awards, what will happen to it? It will be saved for the following years awards.

6. Does it cost members anything to nominate, vote and take part in the awards? NO

7. Does it cost members anything to join and take part in this forum? NO

Do you have problems counting to ten? YES

[Daniel Silk]

10. How much was your total earnings for the last available 7 day period? £90.14

11. Is that all profit? NO, they are other costs to be taken out of that figure

12. Whats is the UK average earnings per week? Looks like £531 per week.

13. So you earned £90.14 a week while the UK average is £531? YES

[Daniel Silk]

14. Do Artists and Galleries give you gifts? YES, they appreciate the work I do, and realize I cant afford to buy much.

15. Do Artists and Galleries need to pay anything to use the forum and promote their shows? NO

16. Do you say you like an Artists work just to try and get a free piece from them? NO, why would I try to get a piece of art I don't like.

[Daniel Silk]

17. Why do your answers not match what I'm being told elsewhere on the internet? The most likely reason is that you are being told those lies by people who have been banned from the forum for abuse and spreading lies, and they are upset because they cant use this forum to flip their art and save themselves ebay fee's.

[Daniel Silk]

18. Why do you run this forum, is it to make money? NO, its clearly not to make money. I enjoy helping people, and the feedback I get is that its doing a great job at that.

19. Why are you wanting to do an Awards? I think it will be fun! and interesting to see what the results will be, and if they match the hype that some artists get. I also think it will be nice for the artists to get a little something back.

20. Will the awards include south America in the future? YES, for sure! its just a matter of costs and also having enough interest on the forum about South American art to warrant the awards.

21. Will the awards Include Australia in the future? YES, same as above.

[Daniel Silk]

Thats 21 questions and answers running out of ideas for anymore

Please let me know if you think of any

[Daniel Silk]

Just had an awards manufacture quote come in -

Urban Art Awards Logo 10-Off
Cut in Mild Steel S275 Plate 20mm Thick £44.20 each
Cut in Aluminium 5083 Plate 20mm Thick £25.85 each
Carriage at cost
Vat applicable at standard rate
Lead-time: 10 Days
Terms: Pro-forma

Thats looking a bit better

[Daniel Silk]

Aug 24, 2010 17:05:02 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Just had an awards manufacture quote come in -

Urban Art Awards Logo 10-Off
Cut in Mild Steel S275 Plate 20mm Thick £44.20 each
Cut in Aluminium 5083 Plate 20mm Thick £25.85 each
Carriage at cost
Vat applicable at standard rate
Lead-time: 10 Days
Terms: Pro-forma

Thats looking a bit better

That was with it being about 20cm across and 16cm high so not sure it would stand up on 2cm depth. Might save a bit more money by doing them a bit smaller to suit the depth

[coach]

Aug 24, 2010 15:34:44 GMT 1 @wizzy said:

I have friends coming this week to Supper...... Lemon or Chocolate Cheesecake?, will be having slow cooked Lamb with white Beans as the main (i wont be doing the cooking btw).

Chocolate every time Wiz.

sorbet, dont forget the sorbet

Chocolate Cheesecake and Sorbet it is then, stuff the main course!

[martindk]

I have read through the thread, I see a lot of ideas on metal going on. How about wood, maybe its cheaper to make, I'm sure it would look great.

[ciscokid]

Silky: Fork or Spoon?

Aug 24, 2010 12:57:39 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Walshy,

Let me say what I think the situation is

You along with a few others have been told lies about me and the forum by people elsewhere on the internet. So you have built up this picture of how you think things really are from what those people have told you.
Then you ask me questions, I answer and you then have problems trying to fit together what I have said and what they have said it might not always fit together, so you think I'm not telling you the truth So in your mind, rightly you keep havin a pop at me
The thing is that I am telling you the truth I have no reason not too! I have nothing to hide
So its probably better for you to think about why those other people are telling you lies and then I think things will fall into place a bit better for you.

I didnt delete my posts, I was having problems with the connection.

Silky, im asking basic questions. People including myself may want to donate money, but need clarity before doing so... ever thought of that ?

Nobody has told me lies, I simply replied to you saying the money generated from here helps you find time to run it... you previously said you can not do a day job due to illness, therefore I saw this site as a hobby to help pass time.

No matter what you say, anyone that asks for donations to run something needs to make the spends public... simple as, its called the law

As wiz said... end of, please stop needing to have the last say

Pineapples can make great mantlepiece trophies. They last along time, and everyone is original.

When the winner has proudly explained to friends and family why they have a pineapple on their mantelpiece, they can dispatch it and have it with sorbet.

Happy to help

[brushstrokes75]

lol @ manty (makes me remember of one How I met your mother episode if anyone watch this show..)

Just give silky a break, that his day job is running this forum is his personal matter (I don't see why he needs to explain himself).

The questions I agree are legit (when it comes to giving money people are always careful). But mates, the main point of a forum is about sharing and participation (and helping the lad next door). What I don't understand is that every time someone tries to make something happened (that would be nice for a community), everyone is always complaining and thinking that this person is taking advantage. I plan to give a bit for the awards soon and I really don't care if Silky would take a bit for himself. Don't we say that every work/job merits salary... Not saying that he would take advantage or not.

But from a personal point, having tried to launch projects like this, you always end up putting money from your own pocket but anyone never say anything about that. If someone else wants to bring a project like this, you will see how much time and money consuming it is....

Having said that, I think what would be better for everyone is total transparency that way no one would be able to say anything (I mean details through official statement of all the money spent and receive from this project). More especially if someone wants to make a generous donation (doubt it but you never know...).

[Daniel Silk]

I think the last few quotes are looking much more workable now so pretty happy I can get the Awards ordered and made, when funds allow.

The other questions raised about donations are no longer applicable.

Thanks very much for all your help so far in the run up to the Awards Much appreciated!

[adamk]

Aug 26, 2010 0:11:15 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

The other questions raised about donations are no longer applicable.

At the risk of becoming egregious, why not?

[Daniel Silk]

Aug 26, 2010 0:38:02 GMT 1 adamk said:

Aug 26, 2010 0:11:15 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

The other questions raised about donations are no longer applicable.

At the risk of becoming egregious, why not?

Thats ok

The Urban Art Awards is not taking donations.

Sorry for moaning in my last post guys and silky its just seems every time I try to input something for the awards, I get told..if you dont like the set up, dont comment or just ignore it. Something I will now do

[jakek]

Aug 24, 2010 16:15:41 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

14. Do Artists and Galleries give you gifts? YES, they appreciate the work I do, and realize I cant afford to buy much.

Are there pics of your collection anywhere on the forum?

Not necessarily the bits you've been given - it'll just be interesting to see your collection like it is to see other peoples.