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Post by artstylee on May 10, 2008 22:06:05 GMT 1
 Did anybody who attended the Nick Walker Show at the Carmichael Gallery and Purchased the TMA Hollywood Print get a Certificate of Authenticity? Just concerned because I stood in line for the guys first solo show(when 90% of the items on his website were available), I paid full price for the print, and over a month later received a high number print with NO COA, and those who went online and purchased it from BRP got lower number prints and COA's. At this point (3 Months / a 1/4 year Later) I still haven't received a Certificate of Authenticity. Yet I attended and supported at Nick Walkers First solo show, the gallery's first show of any importance, Paid Full Price for a Print and got No COA, but those who clicked a few buttons online managed to get lower numbered prints with COA's. Is it BRP or Carmichael Gallery responsible for the hold up/ or lack of COA? Carmichael Gallery/ BRP or somebody with some authority respond? Because this doesn't seem very fair or professional. Not trying to stir the pot, just facts, it is what it is. I worked hard for to pay for that print, and without a COA I feel a bit jipped when online people got more Official Provenance than I did for driving out to LA to support a foreign artists First Solo Show.
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Post by Guest on May 10, 2008 22:25:20 GMT 1
Firstly I would relax, you've got the print which ultimately what you went to the exhibition, and unless you've spoken directly to guys who've bought the print online, how do you know who has what numbers, or is his an assumption?
I wouldn't worry about the COA, it will come in time - galleries generally don't rush out COA's as this can facilitate quick re-sales, which clearly is not why the gallery sell's work.
With regards the numbering, I can't see what the issue is. I'm not certain of the edition number here, regardless every print is signed and looks the same. The number of your print should not be a concern.
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Post by manchestermike on May 10, 2008 22:27:06 GMT 1
No COAs with the LA released ones I was told. Your receipt acts as the COA...
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Post by manchestermike on May 10, 2008 22:27:38 GMT 1
And numbers are irrelevant (still)
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Post by curiousgeorge on May 10, 2008 22:29:47 GMT 1
Stupid question but have you contacted Carmichael or BRP about this?
Oh yeah, are you loving the print??
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Post by artstylee on May 10, 2008 22:37:47 GMT 1
And numbers are irrelevant (still) "Yes I love the print, and got it framed" just don't feel as solid about my purchase as if I purchased direct about BRP due to lack of COA. If you saw the receipt you'd understand. It's black text hand written etc. TO ManchesterMike: Thanks for the info about the receipt acting as COA. I appreciate it. But as far as numbers being irrelevant. To each his own, I personally would just prefer a single digit numbered print as opposed to a triple digit number print. Also it's my understanding that the lower number the print the better because, the silk screen gets clotty towards the end of a run and higher number prints contain imperfections that the early number prints and artist proofs don't due to the nature of the print making process. Maybee BRP etc. have mastered the process and this is not the case with their prints, but with any numbered product I thought the lower number you receive the higher the quality, and the more desirable because it is the closest to the original image the artist intended to duplicate. Could be off but would rather have a number 5 print instead of a number 147. |
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Post by Art-el on May 10, 2008 22:45:23 GMT 1
Do you really need this answering??
If you buy anything and are not given a reciept (or coa) who do you contact.............call the gallery.
The fact that you bought Nicks work before it went bonkers is niether here or there. You got the print why has a bit of paper that should in your mind have accompanied it spoiling your enjoyment of bagging the print.
3 Months / a 1/4 year Later........Thanks for the math
NEXT
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Post by manchestermike on May 10, 2008 22:48:34 GMT 1
And numbers are irrelevant (still) "Yes I love the print, and got it framed" just don't feel as solid about my purchase as if I purchased direct about BRP due to lack of COA. If you saw the receipt you'd understand. It's black text hand written etc. TO ManchesterMike: Thanks for the info about the receipt acting as COA. I appreciate it. But as far as numbers being irrelevant. To each his own, I personally would just prefer a single digit numbered print as opposed to a triple digit number print. Also it's my understanding that the lower number the print the better because, the silk screen gets clotty towards the end of a run and higher number prints contain imperfections that the early number prints and artist proofs don't due to the nature of the print making process. Maybee BRP etc. have mastered the process and this is not the case with their prints, but with any numbered product I thought the lower number you receive the higher the quality, and the more desirable because it is the closest to the original image the artist intended to duplicate. Could be off but would rather have a number 5 print instead of a number 147. I pretty much reckon the prints aren't signed in the order they're printed. And they're quality controlled now so the image is the same no matter what number you receive. |
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Post by Guest on May 10, 2008 22:50:58 GMT 1
I say the guy has a point - if he was 5th in the Q - it would have been great to get number 5!
Although, I know this can't happen - often due to pre-sales etc.
Numbers don't mean swiggle to the value - but mean alot if you have OCD (not saying he/anyone has - just stating a fact about something that could mean nothing to some - is massive to others)!
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Post by manchestermike on May 10, 2008 22:53:04 GMT 1
I say the guy has a point - if he was 5th in the Q - it would have been great to get number 5! Although, I know this can't happen - often due to pre-sales etc. Numbers don't mean swiggle to the value - but mean alot if you have OCD! But he was 5th in the queue for the LA allocation, which may have started at 100 Like the Banksy LA prints, numbers 101-200 were released in LA out of the 500 unsigned |
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Post by Guest on May 10, 2008 22:55:51 GMT 1
I say the guy has a point - if he was 5th in the Q - it would have been great to get number 5! Although, I know this can't happen - often due to pre-sales etc. Numbers don't mean swiggle to the value - but mean alot if you have OCD! But he was 5th in the queue for the LA allocation, which may have started at 100 Like the Banksy LA prints, numbers 101-200 were released in LA out of the 500 unsigned Fair comment - who know where anything starts and stops! Its still the print that should matter. |
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Post by artstylee on May 10, 2008 23:24:04 GMT 1
Wasn't 5th in Line but still had to line up for few hours to get the print. Do you really need this answering?? If you buy anything and are not given a reciept (or coa) who do you contact.............call the gallery. The fact that you bought Nicks work before it went bonkers is niether here or there. NEXT I was told by the gallery upon pick up that I'd be sent a COA in the mail in a few weeks. Since then I received no response to my emails. So really it's not just me deciding I deserve a COA. I was promised something that never materialized. And I'm only asking to be extended the same courtesy random people online received for purchasing the Same Product at the Same Price. Actually it proves that I was down for an artist work before their was major hype surrounding. And my purchase thus was from the heart as opposed to purchasing from the hype and big dollars following Bonhams auction. If everybody(people like me from LA) didn't show up to support and give a crap about this art and Que up before the show, it would have been a slow night for Nick Walker. For instance When I left the show only 1-3 Vandal Triptic prints were sold of 20+. Due to lack of interest in the Vandal Series at the time. Then Bonham's auction drops and the Vandal Triptic series is sold out. I'm just saying I didn't purchase it because of the financial value associated. Appreciated the series and wanted to see it as a whole in the flesh and sat in line to do so. Just bothered by the fact that those who didn't extend themselves in the same manner receive a higher level of provenance than I did for going to the show. Receipt or No Receipt I still don't have the COA I was promised. At the very least they could provide their buyers who show up to their first show with the Equal Provenance online buyers who didn't attend received. Don't get me wrong loved the show, the work, and the print, and I'm glad I attended, I'm just not too excited to pay money for a product, and be promised something that never came through. And if I can't get a response figured maybee other buyers on here could tell me if they got one, makes it alot better when manchester mike lets me know that indeed everybody that purchased their print from the gallery didn't receive the COA we were promised. So I know I'm not the only one. In perspective 100 people who Did Not go to support his first show got COA's and Official BRP Provenance, and 50 people who Paid the Same Amount for the Same Exact Product and Did Attend/Support his first show Did Not get COA's and Official BRP Provenance. I guess that is fair? |
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Post by todd on May 10, 2008 23:40:37 GMT 1
i spoke with the gallery owner two weeks ago and he told me that we would be receiving an email the following week to confirm our address because the COAs were going to be sent to us. he sounded as genuinely frustrated as I was about the delay in getting the COAs. perhaps there was some hold up in the transfer of these items from BRP to Carmichael...maybe one of the parties can chime in?
frankly, i'm not holding my breath for the COA but it is just a matter of principle and a sign of professionalism. when i took the print to my framer in LA, he laughed at me when I told him I was supposed to get the COA at a later time. i do have the print framed in my bedroom and i love it very much and that is the most important thing.
one thing I have never understood about this age of consumerism, is why sometimes people think that no news is good news. I am one who always appreciates good communication, and seeing how simple it is to send off n email, I am always disappointed when as a consumer I am not treated as I should be....because the truth of the matter is that if the consumers aren't happy and don't want to buy the seller's goods....soon enough the seller is going to be out of business.
hope to hear something of an update on this matter. peace.
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Post by Frankie on May 10, 2008 23:53:10 GMT 1
Dude, if your not happy, send the prints to me and I'll give you your money back. There are no fakes out there and I doubt anyone can fake a BRP print. Your print is legit and it'll stand up in court. Stick it on your wall and switch off. You ain't even selling so what you worried about?
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Post by artstylee on May 11, 2008 0:11:17 GMT 1
Dude, if your not happy, send the prints to me and I'll give you your money back. "Real Cute  . -Artstylee" There are no fakes out there and I doubt anyone can fake a BRP print. Your print is legit and it'll stand up in court. You ain't even selling so what you worried about? Obviously the print is official. And nobody said it was bootlegged etc. numbnutz. The gallery sold out the artists work with him standing right their. Since that is the case, asking for the companion piece to the purchased (the COA) to me would seem like a minor request. I just usually complete transactions on the day of purchase when I pay for an item in full, and to me I feel like this transaction is not complete until I receive what was promised to me upon purchase. Having an open account or incomplete transaction for a purchase that's a 1/4 year old seems out of the norm to me. Church |
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Post by Frankie on May 11, 2008 0:15:14 GMT 1
Dude, if your not happy, send the prints to me and I'll give you your money back. "Real Cute . -Artstylee" There are no fakes out there and I doubt anyone can fake a BRP print. Your print is legit and it'll stand up in court. You ain't even selling so what you worried about? I just usually complete transactions on the day of purchase when I pay for an item in full, and to me I feel like this transaction is not complete until I receive what was promised to me upon purchase. Having an open account or incomplete transaction for a purchase that's a 1/4 year old seems out of the norm to me. So sir, you seem unhappy and you are entitled to a refund. Send it to me and I'll give you £100 on top. Now thats what I call a refund and you didn't even buy it from me! Service with a smile  |
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Post by artstylee on May 11, 2008 0:17:40 GMT 1
Let's see have an awesome print without COA, or give it to you for what I paid + 200 bucks.  Not a chance guy. Like I said it's framed, and I like the print, and I'm keeping it I need to know when I work with a gallery that they are going to come through with what they say they are going to. That's all plain and simple. If they want to sell a product and claim you'll receive it with a companion piece (COA) it should be provided as was part of the deal. It's just been a long time and I just need to know if it's not an option or what. I'm not the one who promised a COA. I'm just the buyer who would like to receive what he paid for. I respect and love the print, just feel disrespected by lack of communication and failure to solidify/complete a deal 1/4 year later. |
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Post by easycraig on May 11, 2008 19:33:27 GMT 1
I spoke to Seth last night and he said the certs were on the way from BRP to him... I would not worry. I would wait a couple weeks and then drop the Carmichael gallery an email or call...
peace, ec
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Post by Harveyn on May 11, 2008 20:13:11 GMT 1
Mike - You bring up an interesting point and one I always thought to be true. I cannot believe that prints are numbered and signed in the order they are printed (Not that it makes any difference). Any galleries or print houses out there prepared to clarify this for me?
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Post by curiousgeorge on May 11, 2008 20:24:21 GMT 1
LOL@ the incorrigible one
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Post by Guest on May 11, 2008 22:27:51 GMT 1
I spoke to Seth last night and he said the certs were on the way from BRP to him... I would not worry. I would wait a couple weeks and then drop the Carmichael gallery an email or call... peace, ec Phew, as that means he can stick his no. 147 on ebay b4 they drop any further in value and he is stateside anyroad which obviously means less moolah! |
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Post by Heavyconsumer on May 12, 2008 1:35:17 GMT 1
Mike - You bring up an interesting point and one I always thought to be true. I cannot believe that prints are numbered and signed in the order they are printed (Not that it makes any difference). Any galleries or print houses out there prepared to clarify this for me? I spoke to someone at TLSG recently who confirmed that they are not necessarily numbered, signed or sold in order. |
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Post by Heavyconsumer on May 12, 2008 1:46:03 GMT 1
BTW, I empathise with Artsylee here. It's just simple principle. A gallery is a shop at the end of the day, at least it is from the paying customer's point of view. I think I even remember this particular gallery kicking up a stink about what they were going to print on this specific COA, regarding buying these on the secondary market and contacting them to reregister the prints, as well as refusing to resell to any known sellers who didn't contact them in advance. I may be confusing this release with another one as my brain never recovered fully from prolonged, youthful substance abuse, but I'm more than 90% sure in this case.
Bottom line is, if you're promising a COA, get it to the customer efficiently or you are proving that you act inefficiently and this is unprofessional, especially when that is compounded by poor communication. Almost any mistake is forgivable, but there's no excuse for poor communication in this day and age and nothing that detracts from the enjoyment of a purchase more, in my experience. My 2 cents worth!
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Post by jonvespa on May 12, 2008 1:48:06 GMT 1
ummm, you should be barking at BRP not carmichael....its not like seth printed these up.
its interesting that COA's are as important as they are in the print world....i dont think ive ever received a COA with an original...my receipt has always acted as proof of purchase.
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Post by artstylee on May 12, 2008 3:44:14 GMT 1
I spoke to Seth last night and he said the certs were on the way from BRP to him... I would not worry. I would wait a couple weeks and then drop the Carmichael gallery an email or call... peace, ec Sounds good. but I've heard that before, and I'll believe it when I see it. I know we're dealing with busy super important people here, but to define a concrete date doesn't seem difficult, it is as Everybody said a minor issue that should be quite easy to fulfill, but somehow it's hasn't been in 3 months. I couldn't imagine it taking 2 weeks to sign 50 pieces of paper and send them to the US. Only issue was that they're selling 100's of thousands of dollars of art to serious art buyers, and between the gallery and the printing company Somebody managed to hold up the completion of a sale for 3 months. Point the finger wherever you want, people should just follow through on what get started. PS Nobody is getting on Seth, he's a good dude from what I could tell he's just caught in the middle, but it's just a bummer that "at the end of the day" a collaborative effort between an Artist and two Official art distributing companies couldn't result in a complete transaction 1/4 year later. Just needed to know if I'm ever going to get it or not. And considering everybody on here usually has the inside track I posted to see what the others thought, and get some answers. |
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Post by Photoxtc on May 12, 2008 5:19:18 GMT 1
so which is easier to counterfeit, the COA or the print??? I've had 3 pieces of art come to me this week and I was not concerned one bit that there was no COA with any of them, I have a nice receipt from the galleries that tells me I bought them ;D |
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Post by todd on May 12, 2008 5:44:51 GMT 1
a lot of you make good points, but i think one of the main points here is that those of us who purchased the print from Carmichael were told when we picked them up that a COA would be provided AND that 100 other people who received the same print from the edition of 150 have already received their COA. So, I don't think there is anyone who would be happy to know that they are part of the 1/3 of the buyers who didn't receive the thing that was given to the other 2/3 to help verify the items authenticity down the road.
cool, hope you all can dig this pespective, it's quite simple.
imagine you got a restaurant, you sit down and the waiter says today is a special day we are going to give you some chocolate cake for free dessert if you'd like after your meal, you say great thanks, i love cake. you finish your main course, the waiter brings the bill and says good night. i would think that if you're like me, you might say hey mr. waiter , what happened to that piece of chocolate cake? whether you need it or not is beyond the point, it was offered, it should be brought to fruition. that's the art of commerce really.
all the best folks.
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