Daniel Silk
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Post by Daniel Silk on Sept 25, 2007 14:45:49 GMT 1
it's all getting a bit ugly now isn't it Yeah, but think about the motives  The timing  |
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Post by gbh on Sept 25, 2007 14:50:55 GMT 1
like I said earlier somewhere in the tangled web of posts on this whole dilema, "that's it, I'm selling everything"! the house of cards is crumbling!!!!!!!! gahhhhhhh |
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2007 14:57:00 GMT 1
it's all getting a bit ugly now isn't it Yeah, but think about the motives The timing Some c**t who was involved in ripping people off went and squealed like a rat to "the art newspaper" about how he and a couple of members of POW staff had knocked off some prints to flog on fleabay. No big deal.. people will be caught and probably prosecuted, prints and or funds will be given back to those ripped off. POW/LAZ lawyers will sort it...no biggy. End of... Oi ! put those paperclips back !!! |
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rillo
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Post by rillo on Sept 25, 2007 14:58:35 GMT 1
it's all getting a bit ugly now isn't it Yeah, but think about the motives The timing Explain please? |
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2007 15:02:18 GMT 1
The motive for the fraud was easy cash, why? were the staff getting paid well?
As for the timing, maybe the journalist was just getting pissed off waiting for the next Banksy print. ;D
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2007 15:04:17 GMT 1
The motive for the fraud was easy cash, why? were the staff getting paid well? As for the timing, maybe the journalist was just getting pissed off waiting for the next Banksy print. ;D ha ha that'll teach 'em!!! ;D |
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Post by danvnuk on Sept 25, 2007 15:08:15 GMT 1
it's all getting a bit ugly now isn't it Yeah, but think about the motives The timing Was it Professor Plum's work, In the study, with the Candlestick? ;D ........... I said 'Plums' |
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2007 15:11:18 GMT 1
Yeah, but think about the motives The timing Was it Professor Plum's work, In the study, with the Candlestick? <sni**er>........... I said 'Plums' Keeping up with the theme, maybe a certain someone,who left a certain print house, has a certain website going live imminently. Could be wrong though |
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2007 15:11:32 GMT 1
Yeah, but think about the motives The timing Was it Professor Plum, In the study, with the Candlestick? Was a large sofa involved? |
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Post by danvnuk on Sept 25, 2007 15:14:13 GMT 1
Was it Professor Plum, In the study, with the Candlestick? Was a large sofa involved? Aha - I had to think about that CBL - very subtle |
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Post by Dead Elvis on Sept 25, 2007 15:56:38 GMT 1
I have just had a chat with Steph and she assures me that she is not involved in any way with what the Guardian are trying to imply, and she will be having a meeting with Charlotte Higgins (The Guardian) tomorrow. In Steph's defense, The Guardian is universally know for wording sentences in a manner that streches the actual facts. Interesting that Dora was specifically named in regards to provenance, but that's really not a surprise. What a mess. |
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Post by slacker on Sept 25, 2007 16:42:48 GMT 1
4. Finally and probably the most difficult to do and possibly slightly playing into the resale market (but it exists, cannot be ignored and is significantly better than fraud) would be the re-registration of prints by the gallery when it is sold on. Not sure of the logistics of how you do this. It would be incumbent upon the Buyer to inform the gallery (all pertinent information would need to be supplied including a unique reference number (not the print number) supplied to the original buyer by the gallery. At the end of the day all of the above can be forged but it would certainly make life a little more difficult. it would also allow pow to properly identify flippers. they would presumably need to start numbering in pen as well since it would be too easy for flippers to change the number if it is in pencil. a clerical assistant earning minimum wage could maintain a system like that so it wouldn't be too costly. |
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Vsix
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Post by Vsix on Sept 25, 2007 17:01:35 GMT 1
Does anyone have a list of the Ebay sellers involved. I've bought some Banksy prints over the last year and if they were from any of these sellers I'd want to get them checked out!
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Post by Guest on Sept 25, 2007 17:19:58 GMT 1
Does anyone have a list of the Ebay sellers involved. I've bought some Banksy prints over the last year and if they were from any of these sellers I'd want to get them checked out! Why not try the reporter of the artical w.oliver@theartnewspaper.com |
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Post by Vsix on Sept 25, 2007 17:24:54 GMT 1
Does anyone have a list of the Ebay sellers involved. I've bought some Banksy prints over the last year and if they were from any of these sellers I'd want to get them checked out! Why not try the reporter of the artical w.oliver@theartnewspaper.com Thanks I'll try that! |
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eyekon
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Post by eyekon on Sept 26, 2007 3:08:51 GMT 1
This print was not a fake, it was an original but with possibly the same number of another original. Its been said that theres perhaps more of every print but with real signatures on them. Somebody from POW just stamped the extra prints that were printed in case of damage with a number from the edition of ten. It has been varified that the signature is 100 percent by Banksy which meens its an original. what needs to be found out is if theres in fact 2 or 3 of this number of the edition. If the owners of this or these prints would come forward we would know what is going on for real.
Lets get to the bottom of this
EYE
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Post by pw on Sept 26, 2007 3:15:21 GMT 1
This print was not a fake, it was an original but with possibly the same number of another original. Its been said that theres perhaps more of every print but with real signatures on them. Somebody from POW just stamped the extra prints that were printed in case of damage with a number from the edition of ten. It has been varified that the signature is 100 percent by Banksy which meens its an original. what needs to be found out is if theres in fact 2 or 3 of this number of the edition. If the owners of this or these prints would come forward we would know what is going on for real. Lets get to the bottom of this EYE where are you getting your info from? how do you know the sig is real? |
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eyekon
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Post by eyekon on Sept 26, 2007 9:04:39 GMT 1
From the buyer of that print. I know the buyer directly.
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pw
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Post by pw on Sept 26, 2007 9:09:07 GMT 1
From the buyer of that print. I know the buyer directly. so has the buyer been in contact with POW? can you shed any more light on the whole thing? |
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Post by jmcy9999 on Sept 26, 2007 9:36:37 GMT 1
This print was not a fake, it was an original but with possibly the same number of another original. Its been said that theres perhaps more of every print but with real signatures on them. Somebody from POW just stamped the extra prints that were printed in case of damage with a number from the edition of ten. It has been varified that the signature is 100 percent by Banksy which meens its an original. what needs to be found out is if theres in fact 2 or 3 of this number of the edition. If the owners of this or these prints would come forward we would know what is going on for real. Lets get to the bottom of this EYE I wondered why all 7 of my WSMs have the same number! |
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Daniel Silk
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Post by Daniel Silk on Sept 26, 2007 16:27:51 GMT 1
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Post by craigf on Sept 26, 2007 17:22:18 GMT 1
I spent yesterday travelling to the US and just started catching up with the site and must say this is a bit of a shocker. Is it the case that all the prints that they are claiming are dodgy were signed editions or did they also flip unsigned? The reason for asking is I am not lucky enough to have any signed prints, but have bought a few unsigned on the secondry market.
I do hope they make the situation 100% clear and transparent as it is not good that people are being implicated by assumption who may be completely innocent to this. Although the police may not be overly interested it does appear a criminal offence has taken place as the prints were not the sellers to sell (they were probably still POW's property) and any added signatures would be fraudulent if not the man himself.
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Post by craigf on Sept 26, 2007 17:41:33 GMT 1
Also checking my ebay records I hope the names of the suspended sellers is made clear asap. There is a post on this thread re 21st Century Tortoise no longer being a registered member of ebay (which may or may not have anything to do with this issue). I bought a placard rat off this seller, but need to double check provence when I get home. The auction said it was registered in his name with POW and I think I checked this with Dora, but.....
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Post by andrewd on Sept 26, 2007 17:55:09 GMT 1
I have just had a chat with Steph and she assures me that she is not involved in any way with what the Guardian are trying to imply, and she will be having a meeting with Charlotte Higgins (The Guardian) tomorrow. I would be shocked if she was and don't for one minute believe she was. I mean to say earlier this year when she was trying to set up Stella Dore she offered a Di Face Tenner which she'd been given by Banksy at the 2004 ghetto for sale to us forum members. If you were a sophisticated fraudster then you'd put it on the bay and get your mates to shill bid on it, then printa few more and repeat the trick. |
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Post by Guest on Sept 26, 2007 18:13:12 GMT 1
Also checking my ebay records I hope the names of the suspended sellers is made clear asap. There is a post on this thread re 21st Century Tortoise no longer being a registered member of ebay (which may or may not have anything to do with this issue). I bought a placard rat off this seller, but need to double check provence when I get home. The auction said it was registered in his name with POW and I think I checked this with Dora, but..... Perhaps unrelated to this issue.. BUT.. he was a renowned shill bidder |
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Post by dotdot on Sept 26, 2007 18:19:54 GMT 1
Also checking my ebay records I hope the names of the suspended sellers is made clear asap. There is a post on this thread re 21st Century Tortoise no longer being a registered member of ebay (which may or may not have anything to do with this issue). I bought a placard rat off this seller, but need to double check provence when I get home. The auction said it was registered in his name with POW and I think I checked this with Dora, but..... Perhaps unrelated to this issue.. BUT.. he was a renowned shill bidder It's a messy business - using ebay - not only with the you can't see the bidder story along with the you can change your id pish. Makes your records kind of screwy if you try to 'log' what you buy. .. oh and by the way pish is a good word to use in this context I have yet to see any images using it - more's the pity eh ? |
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eyekon
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Post by eyekon on Sept 27, 2007 1:37:16 GMT 1
Lets find out if anyone has a pink/Emerald/Rasberry soup can out there thats 3/10.
Anyone? Please get on the forum so we can get to the bottom of this as a team of people who support this art and hold a passion for it
EYE.
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Post by Guest on Sept 27, 2007 23:05:24 GMT 1
from pow home
Following recent press reports of Ebay fraud relating to Picturesonwalls products we have now carried out a detailed internal investigation.
We have been unable to find any evidence of a serial fraud being conducted by current or former members of staff as has been alleged.
We are aware former staff have sold a number of prints via Ebay, but
we have found nothing to indicate these prints were issued fraudulently.
Our investigation has led us to believe that there are questions over
the provenance of a small number of prints, so if you currently own the following, please get in touch as soon as possible:
Banksy - Happy Chopper # 22, 23, 24, 26, 46, 128, 129, 133 & 134
Banksy - Weston-Super-Mare # 43 & 128.
We actively seek to run a transparent and accountable operation and
will compensate anybody who has been supplied a faulty piece of art
by Picturesonwalls.
Please contact us at enquiry@picturesonwalls.com where any
information will be treated in the strictest confidence.
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Post by Guest on Sept 28, 2007 9:26:18 GMT 1
wot no comment?...bump!
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Post by saltandiron on Sept 28, 2007 9:28:41 GMT 1
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