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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 21:53:00 GMT 1
I personally don't think what they are doing is illegal, but there is a massive data protection issue here, as how do BRP know from ebay who these people are?? Its illegal to give peoples info to a third party, unless there's criminal intent, or the person has opted into it.
This is quite scary as who would sell anything on ebay of any worth as its open to the world where you live?
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 21:56:11 GMT 1
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 21:56:37 GMT 1
I think that abuse of Data Protection issues might be illegal but not sure how that would be enforced on an internet basis......
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Post by aginghippie on Oct 8, 2008 21:59:38 GMT 1
Alternately the ones on eBay get pushed to the back of the queue and could take months to deliver while BRP make sure they are perfect - would you prefer a refund sir?
Dealing with it that way is much easier than using T&Cs.
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 22:07:10 GMT 1
how do BRP know from ebay who these people are?? Simple, they don't and they cannot find out from ebay. They can cross-reference it through their emails and print numbers but if you don't know which number you are getting you can't advertise it. |
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 22:12:45 GMT 1
All they would need to do is the following:
1. FIND THE AUCTION
2. WIN THE ITEM
3. SELLER GETS MASSIVE EBAY FEE
4. BRP FIND OUT THE ADDRESS VIA WINNING THE ITEM
5. MATCH THE ADDRESS
Result:
Leaves the seller with no leg to stand on. They cant complain they have a non paying bidder as they had no item to sell in the first place, then the seller gets stuck with a massive ebay fee anyway.
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 22:13:10 GMT 1
Master, I'm afraid they/I can... at the moment if you where to sell anything from ebay, I could get your name, address everything.
My response from a previous question:
Data is data, with the government losing it left, right and centre, this is a major issue. Ebay can't be giving out peoples info without asking the member (unless the member have opted in)
But I assume they put sorting the T&Cs on the enquirer, this is a dodgy subject but if BRP and so to believe POW do ask this these details, not to look to into a criminal matter, but just for personal gain, this in my opinion is illegal.
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Post by deckstar on Oct 8, 2008 22:15:32 GMT 1
out of interest what was the price of the walker print?
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 22:16:01 GMT 1
£450
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Post by deckstar on Oct 8, 2008 22:17:18 GMT 1
BRP have also removed the dface statue print off there site
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Post by deckstar on Oct 8, 2008 22:18:36 GMT 1
WOW £450 way to expensive for me, shame i really like it!
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Post by Signed And Numbered Studios on Oct 8, 2008 22:21:11 GMT 1
SOLD OUT... WORTH MORE B?C OF NEW POLICY...
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 22:25:59 GMT 1
All they would need to do is the following: 1. FIND THE AUCTION 2. WIN THE ITEM 3. SELLER GETS MASSIVE EBAY FEE 4. BRP FIND OUT THE ADDRESS VIA WINNING THE ITEM 5. MATCH THE ADDRESS Result: Leaves the seller with no leg to stand on. They cant complain they have a non paying bidder as they had no item to sell in the first place, then the seller gets stuck with a massive ebay fee anyway. Yes, i agree with that, once you buy the item you can find out who the person is but not before (or I might be little daft). So in order to stop flipping straight away they need to buy all the items to find out who is selling them...lol |
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 22:27:56 GMT 1
JBOY, Is that correct that everyone who have won the bids on the latest Dface release, has been brought by BRP colleagues?, great the seller then knows there address, and wouldn't be to happy as they have entered into a financial commitment which is legally binding by ebay? And I expect there address is not rivington st? Why would they be bothered to do this?
Bye the way I love brp and have brought a few bits from them, so I'm not having a go at them, but it annoys me that peoples details are so easy to access if you can be arsed.
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Post by funyoung on Oct 8, 2008 22:33:08 GMT 1
Doubt BRP are buying them all.
What if i pop down to Art Republic and buy the dface for 350 then flog it on ebay for 600?
Are you telling me that BRP is willing to take this risk and win every auction (inflating the price in the process) just to catch a couple of jobless losers?
conspiracytheory.info
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 22:53:43 GMT 1
the seller would not be able to do anything about it. If the prints have not been sent, they cannot sell on the item so therefore have nothing to sell so have no leg to stand on i suppose.
This is the only way you could stop people from doing it, its different when they have the print in hand of course.
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 22:59:06 GMT 1
WOW £450 way to expensive for me, shame i really like it! personally i dont think it is expensive, gone are the days of cheaper prints. Its not greed, its to stop the re-seller market for them. If the price is high to start with it will make people think twice who are just going to re-sell it. This in the long run is a good thing for the collectors as they are usually willing to pay that bit extra to get the bit they want. For an edition of 95, a sought after artist & image plus black rat press print qualities its not that bad. Dont forget to take into account the man power for printing these, the inks, the paper all add up these days, you cant do these for £100 for instance or even £200 in some cases, it does not make sense. They will always sell it, but just not as quick as we are used to |
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:06:19 GMT 1
JBOY.. I ask my question again, how do BRP find out the sellers ID?/address As per ebays t&Cs people can do what they want??so how is this ok?
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:19:30 GMT 1
JBOY.. I ask my question again, how do BRP find out the sellers ID?/address As per ebays t&Cs people can do what they want??so how is this ok? They cannot via ebay unless the seller discloses it themselves, ie. the buyer says "where do i sent the cheque or Postal Order". In some cases it does not take Sherlock Holmes or Colombo when the seller ebay location that is posted says something like "Marwick - Orkney Islands" or a location where they may have sent next to bugger all. BRP in such instances could say hmmm, we have only sent one print there and that was to J Bloggs. Therefore he must be panamajoe from ebay lets cancel his print! Therefore you budding flippers - put a false or made up location in your ebay location field! |
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Post by Signed And Numbered Studios on Oct 8, 2008 23:27:56 GMT 1
this is 1 BiG Frenzy; as Lovingit put's it. Very good chance but who knows...from everything MOJO says regarding AR and panababe seems something is fishy!
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:28:37 GMT 1
JBOY.. I ask my question again, how do BRP find out the sellers ID?/address As per ebays t&Cs people can do what they want??so how is this ok? They cannot via ebay unless the seller discloses it themselves, ie. the buyer says "where do i sent the cheque or Postal Order". In some cases it does not take Sherlock Holmes or Colombo when the seller ebay location that is posted says something like "Marwick - Orkney Islands" or a location where they may have sent next to bugger all. BRP in such instances could say hmmm, we have only sent one print there and that was to J Bloggs. Therefore he must be panamajoe from ebay lets cancel his print! Therefore you budding flippers - put a false or made up location in your ebay location field! Thats wrong! everyone's info is free on ebays - let me know if you have a sale on and I'll let you know your address. Try it.. |
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 23:30:02 GMT 1
load of hot air, BRP can't find the out the sellers information and why would they since the flipping has never bothered them in the slightest before. they need the frenzy to drive the frenzy to create the frenzy. Hot air eh... heres the clever bit guys. win an auction and do this... 1. Click "Advanced Search" at the top of the eBay homepage. 2. Click "Find Contact Information" on the left-hand side of the page. 3. Enter the item number for the relevant purchase. You can find the item number in My eBay. Click "Search". you have to have won the item though..gives you the sellers / buyers full contact details including phone number. when you do this it automatically sends you that persons contact details and in turn sends them yours. its the last resort before claiming paypal. |
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:32:08 GMT 1
They cannot via ebay unless the seller discloses it themselves, ie. the buyer says "where do i sent the cheque or Postal Order". In some cases it does not take Sherlock Holmes or Colombo when the seller ebay location that is posted says something like "Marwick - Orkney Islands" or a location where they may have sent next to bugger all. BRP in such instances could say hmmm, we have only sent one print there and that was to J Bloggs. Therefore he must be panamajoe from ebay lets cancel his print! Therefore you budding flippers - put a false or made up location in your ebay location field! Thats wrong! everyone's info is free on ebays - let me know if you have a sale on and I'll let you know your address. Try it.. I had gathered as much from JBOYS post above  |
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 23:33:20 GMT 1
Will be enough to put the willies up the flippies.
lesson learnt i think
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:33:46 GMT 1
No, you can request the sellers full info before you bid or win the bid, you don't need to win!
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:35:04 GMT 1
Anyway that's enough for me for the night. Its a sh1t print anyway (sour grapes) and looks much better on the street (or my Postman's sack with my address upon the tube).  |
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:36:26 GMT 1
No, you can request the sellers full info before you bid or win the bid, you don't need to win! How the bloody hell do you do that? |
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 23:36:41 GMT 1
here's the clever bit.... no it doesn't jboy. it gives you one line of the address and their phone number if listed because funnily enough most people will ring a seller or buyer rather than write them a letter. its hot air from brp. they don't give a damn they can only sell a print once. nope, did it the other day to make a claim and gave me full contact details including phone, real emails, and address. from that its enough to hunt someone down and shove a tube down their throat. |
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Post by Guest on Oct 8, 2008 23:38:42 GMT 1
here's the clever bit.... no it doesn't jboy. it gives you one line of the address and their phone number if listed because funnily enough most people will ring a seller or buyer rather than write them a letter. its hot air from brp. they don't give a damn they can only sell a print once. nope, did it the other day to make a claim and gave me full contact details including phone, real emails, and address. from that its enough to hunt someone down and shove a tube down their throat. I hope you don't use small rodent whilst performing these acts. If so is that what is called 'pet shopping' and are you not meant to stick it elsewhere? |
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Post by bullet on Oct 8, 2008 23:39:37 GMT 1
nope, but it would be the BRP tube of course...
maximum carnage.
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