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Post by Art-el on Apr 13, 2008 11:11:15 GMT 1
London TMA was not printed by BRP - so you are looking at a great image printed by someone else. BRP are still great printers though! Dude you've been given duff info Screen one, Bristol printed TMA Bristol. All of his prints since have been done by BRP This is fact |
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Post by seidbereit on Apr 13, 2008 11:11:56 GMT 1
3 for the tiny editon canvas's the larger ones look awesome,did not see the tiny ones I know you didn't actually see any of the tiny canvases, bigman, but do you have any idea how tiny they were? |
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Post by Art-el on Apr 13, 2008 11:16:15 GMT 1
I think the small cavases are 40 x 40cm
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Post by frank11 on Apr 13, 2008 11:23:21 GMT 1
If you know nothing about the prints how can you value at 5-15K  That is just plain stupid! This sort of talk leads too flippers getting there the night before. No way will the prints be hitting those prices. BRP have increased the prices to a level that is on par with market value, so if they sell at around 1k i would expect to pick them up on Ebay for around that mark. Listen, Stender is the one going round asking how much Miss Bugs and Walker prints are going to cost. I said it was a complete guess, and if you read my post, I said I think people might be putting them on ebay for that much, not providing a valuation service. Have you seen ebay recently? Sickboy prints going up for 500 quid when they haven't even sold out on POW..... If BRP release the 75 edition at 1k, then flippers will put them on ebay for much more. And I can guarantee the flippers have booked their tickets at the front of the queue before my post.  I've got no interest in the ridiculous prices, just going on the frenzy that seems to have hit his prices since Bonhams. I just do not get why an Ebay listing by a Flipper becomes a perceived value. Happens time and time again someone lists something at hugely over inflated price and that becomes market value. Really stupid, i still believe that the Moona Lisa sale at Bonhams was a rich t**t that thought they were buying a Banksy Like the unsigned BME and Rat, people with too much money that no f**k all about the Art and Artists. If people are going to spend time on the streets to flip a print more fool them. i will happily buy at cost on Ebay after the frenzy dies down |
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Post by romanywg on Apr 13, 2008 11:29:10 GMT 1
This is getting ridiculous guessing how much they will sell on ebay for! That's probably alerted another 50 flippers.
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Post by frank11 on Apr 13, 2008 11:31:37 GMT 1
This is getting ridiculous guessing how much they will sell on ebay for! That's probably alerted another 50 flippers. My point exactly ... |
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Post by idris on Apr 13, 2008 11:41:00 GMT 1
d'you know what - with all this talk ov value i'm having second thoughts of even bothering now? I mean what are we gonna be confronted with .... 100 flippers who really dont give a f*ck about any queue and they'll p!$$ on any1 2 get to front ov queue. Do I REALLY wanna spend 10+ hours in the queue to find some hairy fat arsed baboon has jumped the queue. Is it really worth all the effort? & which tw@t keeps talking about value? boring
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Post by mred on Apr 13, 2008 11:44:01 GMT 1
One idea which IMHO would stop widespread flippers although a little more work for galleries and artist would be to release batches of prints throughout the show. Artist and Gallery could agree how many and when before show.
People visiting the show would then be able to chat to gallery staff and if they thought person had actually heard of the artist and was interested in the artist rather than simply flipping print they could mention some available and person could buy one if interested.
The other option is to use the old Ferrari method where people invited to buy. Read somewhere that in the old days you had to kneel in front of Enzo when signing the contract. Imagine if you flipped your F40 you would not get invited again!!!! Just an idea as long as I am on the list :-)
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Post by chablis on Apr 13, 2008 12:24:06 GMT 1
Prices are seriously inflated, most of the increases are caused by people buying to sell for profit. The pattern is following the housing market model. One day an artist falls out of favour and suddenly people question whether spending in excess of a thousand pounds ion a print s sensible.
It never fails to amaze me what people are willing to pay, I often question where the money comes from. Sometimes it is Hedge Funds, but remember that is just speculation.
Remember never spend more than you are willing or can afford to loose. You won't later be completely stuffed.
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Post by cpo on Apr 13, 2008 12:32:14 GMT 1
someone needs to take some good pictures of the fat dude flipping family and post on friday... or any other roblem makers...
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Post by idris on Apr 13, 2008 12:47:36 GMT 1
One idea which IMHO would stop widespread flippers although a little more work for galleries and artist would be to release batches of prints throughout the show. Artist and Gallery could agree how many and when before show. People visiting the show would then be able to chat to gallery staff and if they thought person had actually heard of the artist and was interested in the artist rather than simply flipping print they could mention some available and person could buy one if interested. The other option is to use the old Ferrari method where people invited to buy. Read somewhere that in the old days you had to kneel in front of Enzo when signing the contract. Imagine if you flipped your F40 you would not get invited again!!!! Just an idea as long as I am on the list :-) So true - a lot of the new ferraris produced in limited on numbers never go on general sale - purchase is by invitation only!! |
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Post by manchestermike on Apr 13, 2008 12:48:58 GMT 1
Prices are seriously inflated, most of the increases are caused by people buying to sell for profit. The pattern is following the housing market model. One day an artist falls out of favour and suddenly people question whether spending in excess of a thousand pounds ion a print s sensible. It never fails to amaze me what people are willing to pay, I often question where the money comes from. Sometimes it is Hedge Funds, but remember that is just speculation. Remember never spend more than you are willing or can afford to loose. You won't later be completely stuffed. Tulips... wibble... bubble... bobble... housing... plibble... crasy... washy Prices are still miles less than the contemporary market as a whole... why should this new art market crash? |
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 13:16:09 GMT 1
One idea which IMHO would stop widespread flippers although a little more work for galleries and artist would be to release batches of prints throughout the show. Artist and Gallery could agree how many and when before show. People visiting the show would then be able to chat to gallery staff and if they thought person had actually heard of the artist and was interested in the artist rather than simply flipping print they could mention some available and person could buy one if interested. The other option is to use the old Ferrari method where people invited to buy. Read somewhere that in the old days you had to kneel in front of Enzo when signing the contract. Imagine if you flipped your F40 you would not get invited again!!!! Just an idea as long as I am on the list :-) So true - a lot of the new ferraris produced in limited on numbers never go on general sale - purchase is by invitation only!! only at certain "snobby" dealerships. Some say you have to buy a used Ferrari (currently in the show room) in order to be considered to get yourself on the list for a new Ferrari. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 13:17:31 GMT 1
someone needs to take some good pictures of the fat dude flipping family and post on friday... or any other roblem makers... my camera is at the ready, this is all i got last time...  |
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Post by cas on Apr 13, 2008 13:21:24 GMT 1
He's the fella! His daughter and wife turned up an hour before the door opened and were allowed in with the first group of 12. Then proceeded to hoover up everything in sight. Nob head.
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Post by spencerlee on Apr 13, 2008 13:54:23 GMT 1
Listen, Stender is the one going round asking how much Miss Bugs and Walker prints are going to cost. I said it was a complete guess, and if you read my post, I said I think people might be putting them on ebay for that much, not providing a valuation service. Have you seen ebay recently? Sickboy prints going up for 500 quid when they haven't even sold out on POW..... If BRP release the 75 edition at 1k, then flippers will put them on ebay for much more. And I can guarantee the flippers have booked their tickets at the front of the queue before my post. I've got no interest in the ridiculous prices, just going on the frenzy that seems to have hit his prices since Bonhams. I just do not get why an Ebay listing by a Flipper becomes a perceived value. Happens time and time again someone lists something at hugely over inflated price and that becomes market value. Really stupid, i still believe that the Moona Lisa sale at Bonhams was a rich t**t that thought they were buying a Banksy Like the unsigned BME and Rat, people with too much money that no f**k all about the Art and Artists. If people are going to spend time on the streets to flip a print more fool them. i will happily buy at cost on Ebay after the frenzy dies down I agree, but as regards mentioning prices alerting flippers......I take your point to a degree, but if you don't think that flippers have already prepared their listings, (mentioning the Bonhams auctions prices and talking about investements) then I think again. It's gotten massive anyway. A couple of weeks ago I saw a blog dedicated to flipping which advises on best things to pick up. People are on ebay selling Beejoir Evening Standard posters claiming they will be worth 5-10k. |
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Post by frank11 on Apr 13, 2008 14:45:27 GMT 1
Spencerlee, i agree that flippers are aware, probably more so than the average fan.
Your average enthusiast, fan, whatever has not got time to sign up to every forum, blog, gallery etc to read through the chaff, they just wait paitently for a POW email. Lol
Where as someone doing it for the money has a vested interest to make sure they do not miss a trick.
I just don't like it. Sorry
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Post by spencerlee on Apr 13, 2008 14:59:36 GMT 1
Spencerlee, i agree that flippers are aware, probably more so than the average fan. Your average enthusiast, fan, whatever has not got time to sign up to every forum, blog, gallery etc to read through the chaff, they just wait paitently for a POW email. Lol Where as someone doing it for the money has a vested interest to make sure they do not miss a trick. I just don't like it. Sorry You've have actually lost me now, what don't you like? I pulled a figure out of the air to someone who was asking. At no point did I promise anybody any value on their potential buys. I hate flipping, and I have said many times that my art is not an investment for me, when I spent money, I kiss it goodbye, which is why I have just spent a large amount on work by complete unknowns, it's just work I love by people who may never be 'fashionable'. I appear to be in the minority with this view, especially recently with people on these forums being open and not even pretending it's because they like art. If you think it's reckless of my initial post then fair enough, but the fact that Nick Walker is selling for f**kloads of money and these releases will carry on in that manner shouldn't be news to anybody. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 16:01:17 GMT 1
& which tw@t keeps talking about value? boring I hope your not calling me t**t!  Get real! Flippers will buy as many as they can get their hands on and they won't be selling on for cost for the benefit of those who missed out! The only way I am going to get one realistically is on the secondary market, so me asking what they are likely going to go for is going to make f**k all difference to a flippers decisions. I don't buy prints for the sake of it either. I wouldn't hang the butterfly print in my garden shed! p.s. I'm no flipper, I have never sold a print. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 16:13:00 GMT 1
I think the queue on Thursday is going to be a nasty experience and I will be staying well away. I actually think it makes more sense to sell to people who have previously enquired or purchased in the past. You're never going to stop the usual mob of herberts who look like and probably are ticket touts forcing their way in. That queue will smell of greed!
For those who say they only recently got into NW it probably has something to do with the fact that his work is worth money now. Or it might just be a coincidence.
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Post by mred on Apr 13, 2008 16:28:12 GMT 1
I think this is going to be a long next few days with everyone getting worked up about the print release and risk of flippers grabbing loads of prints and pushing price up. As I have said before if no one willing to buy at above release prices flippers would soon piss off and move onto another target. Problem is we all get carried away and pay figures way over release price to flippers who think "thanks very much" and do it again. There ends my sermon ;D ;D ;D
Bring on Friday when I will hopefully get to see the show, all the prints will be sold and we will see how many flippers have put prints on ebay and at what price.
As an aside mates girlfriend in Sunday times Money section going on about handbag renting, in same article Nick and Banksy get name checked by Urban Angel as artists they are considering offering private customers opportunity to hire work by. What to people think of this idea rent rather than buy?
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Post by spencerlee on Apr 13, 2008 16:35:10 GMT 1
Renting art is a weird one, there is a danger I would become too attached to any art that was on my wall for so long. I might find myself buying a new identity, faking my death and doing a runner with the art.....  |
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Post by pramface on Apr 13, 2008 16:38:15 GMT 1
snooze
all of you are interested in walker PRECISELY because his stuff is now more valuable.
don't kid yourselves otherwise that means you actually really, really want a picture of a giant butterfly over a boat!
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Post by mred on Apr 13, 2008 16:39:16 GMT 1
spencerlee that thought had crossed my mind around the time I had rented a London TMA
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Post by mred on Apr 13, 2008 16:50:35 GMT 1
pramface you are entitled to express your opinion on whether this thread is sending you to sleep or not. If it is why waste your time joining in, just move on or have a nap.
Regarding reasons why interested in "walker" you are wrong to say "all of you are interested in walker PRECISELY because his stuff is now more valuable." I have been fan of Nick's work for a few years and have always looked forward with interest to what his next show would bring, whether that was in his studio, a clothes shop, bar or as now London Gallery. I am genuinely interested in his work and the fact it is now more valuable I for one find a real downer as it means it is all not outside my price league.
Regarding the "giant butterfly over a boat", assuming this is actually going to be one of the prints, if it is anything like the street piece in Bristol then I would actually like one on my wall although do not for one minute think I will be that lucky!! Sorry if that makes me a bit weird
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Post by DYL4N on Apr 13, 2008 17:33:12 GMT 1
Did any forum members actually get a TMA Holywood, in the last brp release, i havent heard of any |
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 17:35:58 GMT 1
im not game for the butterfly, so wont be quing up.... if thats the show print??
ill try for the bunfight....
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Post by manchestermike on Apr 13, 2008 17:38:29 GMT 1
Did any forum members actually get a TMA Holywood, in the last brp release, i havent heard of any I got one, not from BRP though... don't like it tbh, London is 1000 times better |
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 17:40:31 GMT 1
manchester mikes fingers are in so many pies he doesnt know the meaning of quing or where the f5 button is located...
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Post by Guest on Apr 13, 2008 17:41:38 GMT 1
Well I for one hope the queue goes quickly and the flippers get their prints and bugger off so I can get stuck into drinking the beer and looking at the original artwork. Cant wait to see it up close. ;D
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