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Post by funster on Oct 26, 2008 15:23:29 GMT 1
In fairness to JBoy he didn't make any accusations, he only said it looked familiar - and it does. The thread then took off in it's on direction - which is rare  |
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Post by Grafter on Oct 26, 2008 15:51:18 GMT 1
dont turn this into a thread where it looks like im trying to put a piece down and hype someone up grafter, you as an 'artist' should know how these things go. 1. I OWN THIS PRINT SO WHY WOULD I RIP IT APART 2. D*FACE IS CALLED D*FACE BECAUSE HE TAKES STYLES AND DEFACES THEM - THATS HIS JOB. HE HAS NOT TAKEN AN IMAGE, CHANGED THE COLOURS AND PRINTED IT HAS HE. Dont turn this into an argument thread like you few always do, i was just showing people where the image came from, dont turn it around to make me look like im the bad one I'm not trying to turn anything around or make anyone look bad. You felt the need to show everybody where Matt got his inspiration for a piece from and I simply followed suit by using an example from an artist that I know you personally genuinely have a lot of respect for. I fail to see the difference between the two examples (except for the price). Both have manipulated an existing image. Both have added new details to it. Both have changed the direction of the image to a different place. And if I wanted to play devil's advocate, I could imply that you knew full well that posting that picture would have a negative effect on Matt's work when you did it. Otherwise you wouldn't have preceded it by proclaiming that you "didn't want to seem like an arse"... |
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 15:55:07 GMT 1
nothing negative was intended just found it and showed it, there is no underlying malice at all, unless you make it in your head that there is grafter.
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Post by Daniel Silk on Oct 26, 2008 16:02:23 GMT 1
dont turn this into a thread where it looks like im trying to put a piece down and hype someone up grafter, you as an 'artist' should know how these things go. 1. I OWN THIS PRINT SO WHY WOULD I RIP IT APART 2. D*FACE IS CALLED D*FACE BECAUSE HE TAKES STYLES AND DEFACES THEM - THATS HIS JOB. HE HAS NOT TAKEN AN IMAGE, CHANGED THE COLOURS AND PRINTED IT HAS HE. Dont turn this into an argument thread like you few always do, i was just showing people where the image came from, dont turn it around to make me look like im the bad one I'm not trying to turn anything around or make anyone look bad. You felt the need to show everybody where Matt got his inspiration for a piece from and I simply followed suit by using an example from an artist that I know you personally genuinely have a lot of respect for. I fail to see the difference between the two examples (except for the price). Both have manipulated an existing image. Both have added new details to it. Both have changed the direction of the image to a different place. And if I wanted to play devil's advocate, I could imply that you knew full well that posting that picture would have a negative effect on Matt's work when you did it. Otherwise you wouldn't have preceded it by proclaiming that you "didn't want to seem like an arse"... Great example Grafter ;D Thank you! You feel JBoys post was done for and does have a negative affect on Matt's work? Not getting at you, but what you have just said is very interesting considering whats being said on another thread  |
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Post by Grafter on Oct 26, 2008 16:03:42 GMT 1
Fair enough,Fella.
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Post by Daniel Silk on Oct 26, 2008 16:07:38 GMT 1
Im just after your opinion then -
GRAFTER - "I could imply that you knew full well that posting that picture would have a negative effect on Matt's work when you did it."
So you feel it would be unfair for JBOY to make a post deliberately trying to have a negative effect on SPQR's work, if that was what he was really trying to do?
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Post by Grafter on Oct 26, 2008 16:30:28 GMT 1
Im just after your opinion then - GRAFTER - "I could imply that you knew full well that posting that picture would have a negative effect on Matt's work when you did it." So you feel it would be unfair for JBOY to make a post deliberately trying to have a negative effect on SPQR's work, if that was what he was really trying to do? NO, Silky....that's not what I meant. JBoy has every right to praise,criticise, or say anything he likes about anybodies work, as does anyone else. I simply felt that by making his post it could be viewed by some as taking a plageristic negative view towards Matt. I just wanted to show that there are lots of other examples of very well established artist employing the same tactics. The best way, I felt, to do this was to use an image by a much respected artist doing the same. Please don't use my contribution to this thread to somehow add weight to an argument supporting protection of artists on this forum. I welcome criticism as much as praise, as does the majority of other artists I know, and take both in the way they are hopefully given. Considered, constructive, well thought out opinions. |
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 16:34:55 GMT 1
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Post by Daniel Silk on Oct 26, 2008 16:59:16 GMT 1
Grafter said - "I could imply that you knew full well that posting that picture would have a negative effect on Matt's work when you did it."
Grafter said - "his post it could be viewed by some as taking a plageristic negative view towards Matt"
So was it wrong of JBoy to have made that post?
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 17:07:31 GMT 1
Silky said - "I dint like the Liberty image when I first saw it at the show  " hardly possitive praise for D-face, Silky, and your added responsibility carries alot more influence than us mere mortals, or is it ok to express opinions about some artists but not others? I realise your whole comment isnt there, but sometimes the WHOLE statment has to be read in context to be appreciated, just like grafters WHOLE comment should be quote rather than cherry picked |
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Post by Grafter on Oct 26, 2008 17:09:54 GMT 1
In my Opinion.....NO. It wasn't wrong of him to do it.
I simply didn't understand why he felt the need to point out he wasn't aiming to discredit the work when, again in my opinion, the whole point of posting the picture was with the sole intent of doing exactly that. To then go on and defend D*Face's work in a similar vein seemed, to me, to be a bit odd.
Hope that clears it up for you Silks, me ol' china
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 17:14:37 GMT 1
Aaaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhh!!
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 17:15:51 GMT 1
Can thread titles be changed halfway through? to say.... "Sounds Familiar"?.
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 17:31:35 GMT 1
The name of an artist does not describe his work. Dface chose the name as its a neat little play upon words, nothing else. It certainly does not give him license to just limit himself to altering other's images. Stop mindlessly getting your back up when Dface is critiques JBoy, it makes you look like an ass.
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 17:31:50 GMT 1
nah it was actually something someone told me about so checked it out and it is exactly the same as the piece in question Sounds to me like someone else is loading your gun for you JBoy. |
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 17:32:39 GMT 1
Should read "is criticised..."
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 17:51:30 GMT 1
The name of an artist does not describe his work. Dface chose the name as its a neat little play upon words, nothing else. It certainly does not give him license to just limit himself to altering other's images. Stop mindlessly getting your back up when Dface is critiques JBoy, it makes you look like an ass. haha, you kidding me, you want me to put all the work on here that is a pastiche of things, all of his pieces are. either that or he has done things to the image to give it his own spin. 'neat little play on words' - funniest thing ive heard this hour. |
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 17:56:49 GMT 1
I don't think you actually mean "pastiche." A pastiche is a borrowing of a technique or a motif. I think you would be better off using "homage" or just plain "lazy f**ker stealing someone's work, chucking a dull pair of wings on it or some other crap and selling it to muppet dullards...."
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 18:00:18 GMT 1
plenty of muppet 'dulards' on here and at auction though, way more 'dullards' that obviously have an eye for something that you cant see.
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 18:02:32 GMT 1
Come on nacional, D*Face has just had an amazing show with all new material, he may have borrowed ideas but is very creative with them.
JBoy, D*Face was all about dogs back in the day and is not 'just' about defacing work as you the self appointed D*Face expert say. Give it a rest.
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 18:05:49 GMT 1
Actually I like Dface and have what I consider to be his best work (Anyolwar, also known as skeleton coming out of banana , also known as whatever you want to call it). But, at the same time I don't have the blinkered almost homoerotic worship of him that you seem to have JBoy. The question must be posed: do you have a full-on robot chubby for the artist known as Dface??? I think we have a right to know....
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 18:11:20 GMT 1
its up to me who i like, dont tell me what to f**king do you moron
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 18:11:46 GMT 1
Thats true, its the best, Any Ol War its beautiful. I like DFace v much but thats not to say i like absolutely every piece of work of his, same goes for Herakut, Case, Walker etc. some works i like and some i dont.
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 18:15:19 GMT 1
its up to me who i like, dont tell me what to f**king do you moron Surely thats a weeks ban ;D |
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 18:16:38 GMT 1
JBoy, you are a very naughty, very silly boy. I retain the right to both tell you who to like and what to do. Go straight to the naughty chair and stay there until I say you can leave.
Good God, it is so much fun to wind him up...and so easy too......
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Post by Guest on Oct 26, 2008 18:17:36 GMT 1
Most of the matt's work has a story behind it. When you posted that picture Jboy, you should also add what is said underneath"
A U.S. Navy explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) diver attaches an inert "Satchel Charge" (A satchel charge is an explosive pack used by militaries in the war, this "bag" contains powerful explosives to destroy and demolish heavy enemy targets). to a training mine, during exercises in waters off Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."
It's the same with the "Vedran - Sarajevo cellist" or "Summer Rain"... or many others..
It is powerfully story behind his pieces with added twist from artist.
Adding wings or ddogs does not do the same for me.
No disrespect, just my opinion.
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 18:21:56 GMT 1
no one has any right to tell anyone who to like, i dont tell people who and who not to like but i can give my opinion.
nacional, you are a classic case of a troll - check that out in the forum rules. tata.
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 18:29:39 GMT 1
But a troll posts comments that are off-topic or irrelevant. Mine are always very much on topic. And stay on the naughty chair, I haven't given you permission to move....
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Post by bullet on Oct 26, 2008 18:34:17 GMT 1
for some reason everyone else has turned this into a dig at spqr apart from me, i was just pointing out that i had accidentally found the image through a friend
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Post by nacional on Oct 26, 2008 18:40:03 GMT 1
It is a dig at him. The dig was implicit and not explicit, but just posting the image and saying " not a pop at the man but I just found this" is implicitly accusing the artist of copying, not being original and a myriad of other "crimes." In all seriousness I find a lot of what you say well thought out, thought provoking and, sometimes, spot on, but here you are guilty of, at least, naivity, at worst stupidity in thinking it was not a dig. Think before you post......
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