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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Daniel Silk on Sept 10, 2009 0:54:25 GMT 1, Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube 
68% Female, and 50% of those are aged 55-64 
Cartrain attracting a completely new section of the public to this sort of art? Your guess is as good as mine.
Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube 68% Female, and 50% of those are aged 55-64 Cartrain attracting a completely new section of the public to this sort of art? Your guess is as good as mine. |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by daz205 on Sept 10, 2009 16:52:27 GMT 1, school teachers, friends and family maybe?
otherwise maybe looking for crashes with cars and trains ?
cant think that 368 people watched that video intentionally!
school teachers, friends and family maybe?
otherwise maybe looking for crashes with cars and trains ?
cant think that 368 people watched that video intentionally!
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by BlightSociety on Sept 10, 2009 23:41:38 GMT 1, Cartrain is in court today I think (11 sept) anyone going down to sit in the public gallery and get the scoop for us?
I want to know what the judge has got to say about all this.
Cartrain is in court today I think (11 sept) anyone going down to sit in the public gallery and get the scoop for us?
I want to know what the judge has got to say about all this.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by wizzy on Sept 10, 2009 23:43:46 GMT 1, Court? i thought he was answering Bail today?.
Court? i thought he was answering Bail today?.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Cedric Mnich on Sept 11, 2009 9:02:07 GMT 1, I thought it was on Sept 12.
I thought it was on Sept 12.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by wizzy on Sept 11, 2009 9:09:39 GMT 1, My mistake, just had another look at the bail form on 100artworks site and it says 14/09/2009 at 11.30am.
My mistake, just had another look at the bail form on 100artworks site and it says 14/09/2009 at 11.30am.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Daniel Silk on Sept 11, 2009 9:09:44 GMT 1, Daily Mail - "He is on bail until September 14."
Thisislondon - "The Met said that Cartrain's father was bailed to return to a police station on 14 September."
The Independent - "Cartrain is on bail and, if convicted, his actions will feature among the highest value modern art thefts in Britain."
The Telegraph - "Cartrain is now on bail until September 11, and if convicted, the incident will be one of the highest value modern art thefts in Britain."
Daily Mail - "He is on bail until September 14."
Thisislondon - "The Met said that Cartrain's father was bailed to return to a police station on 14 September."
The Independent - "Cartrain is on bail and, if convicted, his actions will feature among the highest value modern art thefts in Britain."
The Telegraph - "Cartrain is now on bail until September 11, and if convicted, the incident will be one of the highest value modern art thefts in Britain."
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by adamsj09 on Sept 11, 2009 9:29:43 GMT 1, As and when, or if it gets to court, do you think Mr Hirst will show up? Possibly in disguise?
As and when, or if it gets to court, do you think Mr Hirst will show up? Possibly in disguise?
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by doublehelix on Sept 11, 2009 9:46:09 GMT 1, Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube
He's not the most articulate of people is he.
Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube He's not the most articulate of people is he. |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Daniel Silk on Sept 11, 2009 9:49:10 GMT 1, Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube He's not the most articulate of people is he.
Your gonna love this one then -
Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube He's not the most articulate of people is he. Your gonna love this one then - |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by nex on Sept 11, 2009 9:58:30 GMT 1, Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube 68% Female, and 50% of those are aged 55-64 Cartrain attracting a completely new section of the public to this sort of art? Your guess is as good as mine.
the old people they like their cheeky young whippersnappers!
Really unusual stats from the people watching the Cartrain Interview video on youtube 68% Female, and 50% of those are aged 55-64 Cartrain attracting a completely new section of the public to this sort of art? Your guess is as good as mine. the old people they like their cheeky young whippersnappers! |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by robinbanks on Sept 11, 2009 10:54:24 GMT 1, After reading all the arguments and counter arguments and watching some of the vids I've come to the conclusion that Cartrain is just a stupid kid.
It makes sense really - his work has always lacked intelligence / originality.
This "prank" of his was neither clever nor funny. Surely it would have been much funnier (and a lot less illegal) to insert a piece of his own into Hirst's Pharamcy - maybe a pack of Hirst Sense of Humour Erasers or something along those lines (I dunno - I'm not the one pretending to be an artist)? Maybe then send Mr Hirst a bunch of flowers with a card saying he hoped he liked the gift - no hard feelings. Even make a humorous short 5 minute documentary about the whole ridiculous affair and post it on YouTube. And then let us all know about it.
But no - Cartrain is just a stupid kid. The trouble is, in the eyes of the law, he may well be stupid but he aint a kid. And so I fear this may be a very costly lesson for him to learn.
After reading all the arguments and counter arguments and watching some of the vids I've come to the conclusion that Cartrain is just a stupid kid.
It makes sense really - his work has always lacked intelligence / originality.
This "prank" of his was neither clever nor funny. Surely it would have been much funnier (and a lot less illegal) to insert a piece of his own into Hirst's Pharamcy - maybe a pack of Hirst Sense of Humour Erasers or something along those lines (I dunno - I'm not the one pretending to be an artist)? Maybe then send Mr Hirst a bunch of flowers with a card saying he hoped he liked the gift - no hard feelings. Even make a humorous short 5 minute documentary about the whole ridiculous affair and post it on YouTube. And then let us all know about it.
But no - Cartrain is just a stupid kid. The trouble is, in the eyes of the law, he may well be stupid but he aint a kid. And so I fear this may be a very costly lesson for him to learn.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by darrenrapley on Sept 11, 2009 10:57:54 GMT 1, That would have actually been quite funny
That would have actually been quite funny
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by crazyarsemother on Sept 11, 2009 11:02:40 GMT 1, After reading all the arguments and counter arguments and watching some of the vids I've come to the conclusion that Cartrain is just a stupid kid. It makes sense really - his work has always lacked intelligence / originality. This "prank" of his was neither clever nor funny. Surely it would have been much funnier (and a lot less illegal) to insert a piece of his own into Hirst's Pharamcy - maybe a pack of Hirst Sense of Humour Erasers or something along those lines (I dunno - I'm not the one pretending to be an artist)? Maybe then send Mr Hirst a bunch of flowers with a card saying he hoped he liked the gift - no hard feelings. Even make a humorous short 5 minute documentary about the whole ridiculous affair and post it on YouTube. And then let us all know about it. But no - Cartrain is just a stupid kid. The trouble is, in the eyes of the law, he may well be stupid but he aint a kid. And so I fear this may be a very costly lesson for him to learn.
My girlfriend worked in posh restaurant in London and once Daryl Hannah gave her, her hand bag to look after. She rang me and I persuaded her to put something in the handbag. All she could find was a photo of a Chinese couple getting married. He he. I still imagine Daryl's confusion.
After reading all the arguments and counter arguments and watching some of the vids I've come to the conclusion that Cartrain is just a stupid kid. It makes sense really - his work has always lacked intelligence / originality. This "prank" of his was neither clever nor funny. Surely it would have been much funnier (and a lot less illegal) to insert a piece of his own into Hirst's Pharamcy - maybe a pack of Hirst Sense of Humour Erasers or something along those lines (I dunno - I'm not the one pretending to be an artist)? Maybe then send Mr Hirst a bunch of flowers with a card saying he hoped he liked the gift - no hard feelings. Even make a humorous short 5 minute documentary about the whole ridiculous affair and post it on YouTube. And then let us all know about it. But no - Cartrain is just a stupid kid. The trouble is, in the eyes of the law, he may well be stupid but he aint a kid. And so I fear this may be a very costly lesson for him to learn. My girlfriend worked in posh restaurant in London and once Daryl Hannah gave her, her hand bag to look after. She rang me and I persuaded her to put something in the handbag. All she could find was a photo of a Chinese couple getting married. He he. I still imagine Daryl's confusion. |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by wizzy on Sept 11, 2009 11:07:53 GMT 1, That could have marked a turning point in Daryl Hannahs life or career James.
That could have marked a turning point in Daryl Hannahs life or career James.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by robinbanks on Sept 11, 2009 11:12:18 GMT 1, Haha - that's funny, James! ;D
Would loved to have been a fly on the wall when she found it. Actually, I wouldn't have minded being a fly on Daryl Hannah's wall full stop! 
Haha - that's funny, James! ;D Would loved to have been a fly on the wall when she found it. Actually, I wouldn't have minded being a fly on Daryl Hannah's wall full stop! |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by adamsj09 on Sept 11, 2009 17:11:05 GMT 1, Imagine how much Cartrain's style and work will develop if he goes to art classes in prison.
Maybe he'll be tempted to nick some pencils from Mr Big's cell for a laugh?
Imagine how much Cartrain's style and work will develop if he goes to art classes in prison.
Maybe he'll be tempted to nick some pencils from Mr Big's cell for a laugh?
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by bazzj04 on Sept 11, 2009 17:16:11 GMT 1, Imagine how much Cartrain's style and work will develop if he goes to art classes in prison. Maybe he'll be tempted to nick some pencils from Mr Big's cell for a laugh?
and get bummed yeah ?.
Imagine how much Cartrain's style and work will develop if he goes to art classes in prison. Maybe he'll be tempted to nick some pencils from Mr Big's cell for a laugh? and get bummed yeah ?. |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by adamsj09 on Sept 11, 2009 17:22:55 GMT 1, With the pencils !! For the love of god.
With the pencils !! For the love of god.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by bazzj04 on Sept 11, 2009 17:26:40 GMT 1, With the pencils !! For the love of god.
2 to your 1
With the pencils !! For the love of god. 2 to your 1 |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by taxidermot on Sept 12, 2009 0:13:48 GMT 1, IN 1913 I HAD THE HAPPY IDEA TO FASTEN A BICYCLE WHEEL TO A KITCHEN STOOL AND WATCH IT TURN.
A FEW MONTHS LATER I BOUGHT A CHEAP REPRODUCTION OF A WINTER EVENING LANDSCAPE, WHICH I CALLED "PHARMACY" AFTER ADDING TWO SMALL DOTS, ONE RED AND ONE YELLOW, IN THE HORIZON.
IN 1913 I HAD THE HAPPY IDEA TO FASTEN A BICYCLE WHEEL TO A KITCHEN STOOL AND WATCH IT TURN.
A FEW MONTHS LATER I BOUGHT A CHEAP REPRODUCTION OF A WINTER EVENING LANDSCAPE, WHICH I CALLED "PHARMACY" AFTER ADDING TWO SMALL DOTS, ONE RED AND ONE YELLOW, IN THE HORIZON.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Daniel Silk on Sept 14, 2009 12:12:59 GMT 1, So whats Damien Hirst working on now -
So whats Damien Hirst working on now -
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by johnsmedley on Sept 14, 2009 12:48:19 GMT 1, Charlie Brooker has his say:
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/14/charlie-brooker-damien-hirst
Highlights:
"Overvalued, irksome, conceited, pudge-faced, balding, boring, awful celebrity art nob Damien Hirst..."
"Cartrain's almost certainly a self-promoting gump and a poor man's Banksy.."
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Cedric Mnich on Sept 14, 2009 13:02:32 GMT 1, Anyway, whether good or bad for Cartrain, it is quite a lot of publicity. If art collectors are rich and stupid enough to buy Hirst's art for millions, why shouldn't they be stupid enough to buy Cartrain's as well ? Cartrain's art could easily become the next trendy artist just because of that feud. This, despise the fact his art is far from being exceptional (but after all, is Hirst's art that exceptional ?). I am pretty happy to have bought the Ransom print, it could become some good investment faster than i thought given all the media coverage. Many people (including journalists) are very critical towards Cartrain's stuff but I guess many of us would love to have such an extended press coverage...
(sorry if some of my english might be approximate sometimes, it's not my native language).
An adage says "Good or bad publicity is still publicity".
What do you think ? Do you think Cartrain's risk was worth it ?
Anyway, whether good or bad for Cartrain, it is quite a lot of publicity. If art collectors are rich and stupid enough to buy Hirst's art for millions, why shouldn't they be stupid enough to buy Cartrain's as well ? Cartrain's art could easily become the next trendy artist just because of that feud. This, despise the fact his art is far from being exceptional (but after all, is Hirst's art that exceptional ?). I am pretty happy to have bought the Ransom print, it could become some good investment faster than i thought given all the media coverage. Many people (including journalists) are very critical towards Cartrain's stuff but I guess many of us would love to have such an extended press coverage...
(sorry if some of my english might be approximate sometimes, it's not my native language).
An adage says "Good or bad publicity is still publicity".
What do you think ? Do you think Cartrain's risk was worth it ?
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by spencerlee on Sept 14, 2009 13:18:24 GMT 1, That's all well and good, but I buy art that inspires me, and moves me. Not as an investment that I keep under the bed as it's so ugly.
That's all well and good, but I buy art that inspires me, and moves me. Not as an investment that I keep under the bed as it's so ugly.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by curiousgeorge on Sept 14, 2009 13:28:02 GMT 1, Anyway, whether good or bad for Cartrain, it is quite a lot of publicity. If art collectors are rich and stupid enough to buy Hirst's art for millions, why shouldn't they be stupid enough to buy Cartrain's as well ? Cartrain's art could easily become the next trendy artist just because of that feud. This, despise the fact his art is far from being exceptional (but after all, is Hirst's art that exceptional ?). I am pretty happy to have bought the Ransom print, it could become some good investment faster than i thought given all the media coverage. Many people (including journalists) are very critical towards Cartrain's stuff but I guess many of us would love to have such an extended press coverage... (sorry if some of my english might be approximate sometimes, it's not my native language). An adage says "Good or bad publicity is still publicity". What do you think ? Do you think Cartrain's risk was worth it ?
Great grasp of the English language, better than Cartrain going on some of the vids posted on this thread 
100 artworks any news on bail today???
Anyway, whether good or bad for Cartrain, it is quite a lot of publicity. If art collectors are rich and stupid enough to buy Hirst's art for millions, why shouldn't they be stupid enough to buy Cartrain's as well ? Cartrain's art could easily become the next trendy artist just because of that feud. This, despise the fact his art is far from being exceptional (but after all, is Hirst's art that exceptional ?). I am pretty happy to have bought the Ransom print, it could become some good investment faster than i thought given all the media coverage. Many people (including journalists) are very critical towards Cartrain's stuff but I guess many of us would love to have such an extended press coverage... (sorry if some of my english might be approximate sometimes, it's not my native language). An adage says "Good or bad publicity is still publicity". What do you think ? Do you think Cartrain's risk was worth it ? Great grasp of the English language, better than Cartrain going on some of the vids posted on this thread 100 artworks any news on bail today??? |
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by daz205 on Sept 14, 2009 14:56:58 GMT 1, so Cartrains 19 and being tried as an adult, could be interesting !
does this also mean that now the police know who is he is they will file a case against him for public damage as well ?
so Cartrains 19 and being tried as an adult, could be interesting !
does this also mean that now the police know who is he is they will file a case against him for public damage as well ?
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by Adamski on Sept 14, 2009 15:47:45 GMT 1, If cartrain is 19 it completely changes the context of his 'prank'. He will be charged and judged as an adult. This completely negates the argument that 'he's just a kid...'etc and in fact just shows that he's a bit thick.
Not in the original intent of the joke, but in the desperation to publicise himself and sell prints after the event. He could quite easily have turned it to benefit himself as an artist and with a bit more thought he could probably have created something quite clever.
Along side that, there should be serious questions towards those that are close to him and offering the benefit of more experience.
Although you've not actually done anything wrong here Silky, it's pretty clear that you have a relationship with Cartrain and as such should probably have taken some responsibility in trying to offer him some sensible advice. Not to mention his shambles of a gallery, what were you lot doing?
'bless him he's just a kid...' actually he's just a bit of a nause.
If cartrain is 19 it completely changes the context of his 'prank'. He will be charged and judged as an adult. This completely negates the argument that 'he's just a kid...'etc and in fact just shows that he's a bit thick.
Not in the original intent of the joke, but in the desperation to publicise himself and sell prints after the event. He could quite easily have turned it to benefit himself as an artist and with a bit more thought he could probably have created something quite clever.
Along side that, there should be serious questions towards those that are close to him and offering the benefit of more experience.
Although you've not actually done anything wrong here Silky, it's pretty clear that you have a relationship with Cartrain and as such should probably have taken some responsibility in trying to offer him some sensible advice. Not to mention his shambles of a gallery, what were you lot doing?
'bless him he's just a kid...' actually he's just a bit of a nause.
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by nex on Sept 14, 2009 16:00:03 GMT 1, I'd heard Cartrain was Peter Pan?
I'd heard Cartrain was Peter Pan?
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Cartrain v Damien Hirst - Tate Pencils, by thegreatarchitect on Sept 14, 2009 16:22:54 GMT 1, If cartrain is 19 it completely changes the context of his 'prank'. He will be charged and judged as an adult. This completely negates the argument that 'he's just a kid...'etc and in fact just shows that he's a bit thick.
For Cartrain to state ' I sublimate many of my cravings which cannot be satisfied realistically through wishful thinking by the replacement of intelligent action' Shows me he is not as you quote 'A bit thick' His statement shows that his actions were well thought out including any consequences that may follow.
Judging by his previous pranks i am sure surprises will follow and any consequences will work in his favor
If cartrain is 19 it completely changes the context of his 'prank'. He will be charged and judged as an adult. This completely negates the argument that 'he's just a kid...'etc and in fact just shows that he's a bit thick. For Cartrain to state ' I sublimate many of my cravings which cannot be satisfied realistically through wishful thinking by the replacement of intelligent action' Shows me he is not as you quote 'A bit thick' His statement shows that his actions were well thought out including any consequences that may follow. Judging by his previous pranks i am sure surprises will follow and any consequences will work in his favor |
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Did not check early enough