Existencil
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Existencil on Dec 15, 2008 15:59:18 GMT 1, You're not making any point. You're pointless. Away with you.
You're not making any point. You're pointless. Away with you.
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pfffffffffft
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POW SHIT LIST!, by pfffffffffft on Dec 15, 2008 16:06:19 GMT 1, You're not making any point. You're pointless. Away with you.
No, badrobot made a fine point. One you just illustrated with your response.
You're not making any point. You're pointless. Away with you. No, badrobot made a fine point. One you just illustrated with your response.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by havana07 on Dec 15, 2008 17:17:40 GMT 1, heavy- i bought my Trolleys off ebay, too. and, i paid a small fortune for it. big deal. it is what it is. i like the print. it sits on my wall and it's not for sale. i'm not looking to solve any conspiracy, but rather just point out that we're all in the food chain - POW, too. call it like is - they sell a print, someone buys it. that's as far as that needs to go. what someone does with the print after that is up to them. if POW wants to blackball them for that, then so be it. but until their reasons are standardized and made public, I think it's bulls**t and smells of subjectivity and discrimination. some people on this board say you have to hold a print for 2 years, others 1 year before you can resell without persecution. who's right and who's wrong? So, i can buy a Banksy, set it on fire if I want, use it to line a bookshelf, paste it on a city building for anyone to admire, but I can't resell it without suffering the consequences? Nonsense! and, no i'm not stuey.
Come on! I can't be the only one on the shit list? I've gone public and If you see me at a gallery opening, please feel free to turn your head away from me.
But seriously.... Never mind.....
heavy- i bought my Trolleys off ebay, too. and, i paid a small fortune for it. big deal. it is what it is. i like the print. it sits on my wall and it's not for sale. i'm not looking to solve any conspiracy, but rather just point out that we're all in the food chain - POW, too. call it like is - they sell a print, someone buys it. that's as far as that needs to go. what someone does with the print after that is up to them. if POW wants to blackball them for that, then so be it. but until their reasons are standardized and made public, I think it's bulls**t and smells of subjectivity and discrimination. some people on this board say you have to hold a print for 2 years, others 1 year before you can resell without persecution. who's right and who's wrong? So, i can buy a Banksy, set it on fire if I want, use it to line a bookshelf, paste it on a city building for anyone to admire, but I can't resell it without suffering the consequences? Nonsense! and, no i'm not stuey. Come on! I can't be the only one on the shit list? I've gone public and If you see me at a gallery opening, please feel free to turn your head away from me. But seriously.... Never mind.....
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POW SHIT LIST!, by micko on Dec 15, 2008 17:33:53 GMT 1, the only prints i've flipped were for cost + shipping to some UK lads in this forum who couldn't' get an Obama/Shep print. but i am evil because i flipped. oh no.
the only prints i've flipped were for cost + shipping to some UK lads in this forum who couldn't' get an Obama/Shep print. but i am evil because i flipped. oh no.
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pfffffffffft
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POW SHIT LIST!, by pfffffffffft on Dec 15, 2008 17:37:40 GMT 1, the only prints i've flipped were for cost + shipping to some UK lads in this forum who couldn't' get an Obama/Shep print. but i am evil because i flipped. oh no.
It's not flipping if you sold at cost.
the only prints i've flipped were for cost + shipping to some UK lads in this forum who couldn't' get an Obama/Shep print. but i am evil because i flipped. oh no. It's not flipping if you sold at cost.
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dmandpenfold
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POW SHIT LIST!, by dmandpenfold on Dec 15, 2008 17:38:09 GMT 1, You're not making any point. You're pointless. Away with you.
why did you change you're avatar and screen name...?
perhaps you could change your online persona while your at it
You're not making any point. You're pointless. Away with you. why did you change you're avatar and screen name...? perhaps you could change your online persona while your at it
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brun
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POW SHIT LIST!, by brun on Dec 15, 2008 17:43:59 GMT 1, there is a term where flipping is not acceptable and that term is now , people selling before they even got it for ยฃ3000 . but if they got from the draw , what do they know ? they maybe have no idea how annoying this is and pow certainly had no disclaimer on the lottery ticket ........
there are pro flippers too called online galleries !
there is a term where flipping is not acceptable and that term is now , people selling before they even got it for ยฃ3000 . but if they got from the draw , what do they know ? they maybe have no idea how annoying this is and pow certainly had no disclaimer on the lottery ticket ........
there are pro flippers too called online galleries !
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POW SHIT LIST!, by rosstierney on Dec 15, 2008 18:18:31 GMT 1, the only prints i've flipped were for cost + shipping to some UK lads in this forum who couldn't' get an Obama/Shep print. but i am evil because i flipped. oh no.
i can vouch for that
the only prints i've flipped were for cost + shipping to some UK lads in this forum who couldn't' get an Obama/Shep print. but i am evil because i flipped. oh no. i can vouch for that
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Existencil
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Existencil on Dec 15, 2008 18:37:14 GMT 1, At the end of the day, there isn't a shit list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.
At the end of the day, there isn't a shit list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by rosstierney on Dec 15, 2008 18:42:14 GMT 1, At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.
that's where you're wrong
At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about. that's where you're wrong
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Existencil
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Existencil on Dec 15, 2008 18:45:57 GMT 1, The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack.
The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by onemandown72 on Dec 15, 2008 19:12:10 GMT 1, Hi, I've been buying Banksy prints since 2004. I've sold a few, I've swapped many, I've got a lot. I'm on Pictures On Walls s**t List. They will no longer sell to me as I 'move' prints on. Questions are.... 1. Are you on their s**t list? 2. If you swap a print and you are the original buyer and that print gets sold 5 times, your name will be flagged up to POW as the original buyer when subsequent buyers ask for provenance 5 times, so are you a 'serial flipper'? 3. Why did they sell multiple prints to buyers when Banksy was worth 2 bob and now persecute buyers when they sell? 4. Anything else? I know here there are a strong pro POW crowd, who'll see this as a personal attack and will find something my ancestors done in 1266 to make their point, but lets see how this thread goes and hope it doesn't escalate into personal insults. Thanks.
I would like to think that POW were pretty discrimnatory in how they generated such a black list. If it's solely down to the fact that people move prints on, then I would be horrified that anybody who has supported POW from it's early days, would then be banned from buying due to swapping / selling art. (and especially when POW have happily sold multiples of the same print to people. I know of several who deliberately over bought as they saw the potential in the artist and took a risk) I believe that POW should retain the right who they sell to, but it would be a real shame if genuine collectors are being blackballed as their collecting tastes change over time. I feel for you havana07, as it seems you've been pretty unlucky in this instance.
Hi, I've been buying Banksy prints since 2004. I've sold a few, I've swapped many, I've got a lot. I'm on Pictures On Walls s**t List. They will no longer sell to me as I 'move' prints on. Questions are.... 1. Are you on their s**t list? 2. If you swap a print and you are the original buyer and that print gets sold 5 times, your name will be flagged up to POW as the original buyer when subsequent buyers ask for provenance 5 times, so are you a 'serial flipper'? 3. Why did they sell multiple prints to buyers when Banksy was worth 2 bob and now persecute buyers when they sell? 4. Anything else? I know here there are a strong pro POW crowd, who'll see this as a personal attack and will find something my ancestors done in 1266 to make their point, but lets see how this thread goes and hope it doesn't escalate into personal insults. Thanks. I would like to think that POW were pretty discrimnatory in how they generated such a black list. If it's solely down to the fact that people move prints on, then I would be horrified that anybody who has supported POW from it's early days, would then be banned from buying due to swapping / selling art. (and especially when POW have happily sold multiples of the same print to people. I know of several who deliberately over bought as they saw the potential in the artist and took a risk) I believe that POW should retain the right who they sell to, but it would be a real shame if genuine collectors are being blackballed as their collecting tastes change over time. I feel for you havana07, as it seems you've been pretty unlucky in this instance.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by rosstierney on Dec 15, 2008 19:19:41 GMT 1, At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.
i was going to go into one but i've decided i'm just going to tell you to shut up
At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about. i was going to go into one but i've decided i'm just going to tell you to shut up
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pfffffffffft
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POW SHIT LIST!, by pfffffffffft on Dec 15, 2008 19:21:40 GMT 1, The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack.
Hmmmm, there are members of this board that are friendly with both POW and Laz staff. Not sure why you'd think there werent some who'd have some knowledge.
And considering Laz came on this board and announced publicly you were banned, I find it curious that you of all people would deny the existence of a banned list.
As usual, the one who seems to know the least is happiest to protest the most.
The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack. Hmmmm, there are members of this board that are friendly with both POW and Laz staff. Not sure why you'd think there werent some who'd have some knowledge. And considering Laz came on this board and announced publicly you were banned, I find it curious that you of all people would deny the existence of a banned list. As usual, the one who seems to know the least is happiest to protest the most.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by ecb on Dec 15, 2008 19:26:00 GMT 1, This thread is nothing but misinformation which is par for this site.
This thread is nothing but misinformation which is par for this site.
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pfffffffffft
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POW SHIT LIST!, by pfffffffffft on Dec 15, 2008 19:42:12 GMT 1, This thread is nothing but misinformation which is par for this site.
ecb you've done nothing but complain about this site and POW since you joined. Perhaps you should go back to phishposters.com and complain there. Either that or try and contribute in a positive manner.
This thread is nothing but misinformation which is par for this site. ecb you've done nothing but complain about this site and POW since you joined. Perhaps you should go back to phishposters.com and complain there. Either that or try and contribute in a positive manner.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by wiz on Dec 15, 2008 19:57:06 GMT 1, At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.
So theres a Myth List as well is there? i knew it!.
At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members. If this myth was shattered, they wouldn't have anything else to talk about. So theres a Myth List as well is there? i knew it!.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 20:40:20 GMT 1, The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack. Hmmmm, there are members of this board that are friendly with both POW and Laz staff. Not sure why you'd think there werent some who'd have some knowledge. And considering Laz came on this board and announced publicly you were banned, I find it curious that you of all people would deny the existence of a banned list. As usual, the one who seems to know the least is happiest to protest the most.
same s h i t difference day as always
The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack. Hmmmm, there are members of this board that are friendly with both POW and Laz staff. Not sure why you'd think there werent some who'd have some knowledge. And considering Laz came on this board and announced publicly you were banned, I find it curious that you of all people would deny the existence of a banned list. As usual, the one who seems to know the least is happiest to protest the most. same s h i t difference day as always
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POW SHIT LIST!, by stender on Dec 15, 2008 20:43:08 GMT 1, Talking of pow and flippers.......... Would you reckon the people that work for pow or were working for them on the open day would of received vlh's for themselves? and if so surely they would be earning shite money and therefore would flip for a few grand?
another conspiracy theory!
Talking of pow and flippers.......... Would you reckon the people that work for pow or were working for them on the open day would of received vlh's for themselves? and if so surely they would be earning shite money and therefore would flip for a few grand?
another conspiracy theory!
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POW SHIT LIST!, by veralynn on Dec 15, 2008 21:44:10 GMT 1, I think you'll find that the employees of POW might have a copy of pretty much every print they have ever released, it's called their pension.
I love a great conspiracy but unless anyone can produce a very low number (single digits) Banksy print I will go on believing that is the case......
I think you'll find that the employees of POW might have a copy of pretty much every print they have ever released, it's called their pension.
I love a great conspiracy but unless anyone can produce a very low number (single digits) Banksy print I will go on believing that is the case......
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POW SHIT LIST!, by alsbabar on Dec 15, 2008 21:58:22 GMT 1, Talking of pow and flippers.......... Would you reckon the people that work for pow or were working for them on the open day would of received vlh's for themselves? and if so surely they would be earning s**te money and therefore would flip for a few grand? another conspiracy theory!
Gimme a break ffs - no conspiracy there - the staff who worked at Cans got given personalised gift prints - have you ever seen any of them for sale? No!!!
There are some people in this world who collect for the love of the art/artist and dont do it for the money. Most people who worked also at POW Open Day, were either POW or Laz employee's, so they get a wage anyway.
If POW have blacklisted someone it is because they chose to, and it wouldnt be for a trivial issue. so they would have cause to. I would also suspect that POW wouldnt mind too much if people sold their art - but would rather appreciate a period of time, before they do.
Can you imagine how many emails, questions, requests, POW/Pest Control and Laz get about obtaining Banksy prints - and all emailers swearing blind to be the most devoted Banksy fan - and how they would treasure a print forever. When you have some people who are selling prints even before they have received them - what difficult position does that put them in, when you have some people who queue up, up to 4 hours, to enter a raffle, and then within minutes of being told they won - it appears on ebay? Or if someone snaps one up on their site, on release, putting it up on ebay, depriving a collector their chance to own a desired piece of art. So either POW do something to eliminate/stamp out such people or not - they are damned if they do, damned if they dont. As some people on here scream at flippers and ask POW to ban them and when they do, other people scream at them asking why!!
Talking of pow and flippers.......... Would you reckon the people that work for pow or were working for them on the open day would of received vlh's for themselves? and if so surely they would be earning s**te money and therefore would flip for a few grand? another conspiracy theory! Gimme a break ffs - no conspiracy there - the staff who worked at Cans got given personalised gift prints - have you ever seen any of them for sale? No!!! There are some people in this world who collect for the love of the art/artist and dont do it for the money. Most people who worked also at POW Open Day, were either POW or Laz employee's, so they get a wage anyway. If POW have blacklisted someone it is because they chose to, and it wouldnt be for a trivial issue. so they would have cause to. I would also suspect that POW wouldnt mind too much if people sold their art - but would rather appreciate a period of time, before they do. Can you imagine how many emails, questions, requests, POW/Pest Control and Laz get about obtaining Banksy prints - and all emailers swearing blind to be the most devoted Banksy fan - and how they would treasure a print forever. When you have some people who are selling prints even before they have received them - what difficult position does that put them in, when you have some people who queue up, up to 4 hours, to enter a raffle, and then within minutes of being told they won - it appears on ebay? Or if someone snaps one up on their site, on release, putting it up on ebay, depriving a collector their chance to own a desired piece of art. So either POW do something to eliminate/stamp out such people or not - they are damned if they do, damned if they dont. As some people on here scream at flippers and ask POW to ban them and when they do, other people scream at them asking why!!
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POW SHIT LIST!, by bullet on Dec 15, 2008 22:02:04 GMT 1, are people creating these threads just because they are angry there is no ghetto this year (which was known about as it was posted on here loads in october)
blimey
are people creating these threads just because they are angry there is no ghetto this year (which was known about as it was posted on here loads in october)
blimey
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POW SHIT LIST!, by rosstierney on Dec 15, 2008 22:16:31 GMT 1, if you've been looking for a reason to say "told you so", now's the time to get it out of the way
if you've been looking for a reason to say "told you so", now's the time to get it out of the way
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POW SHIT LIST!, by funster on Dec 15, 2008 22:21:53 GMT 1, 5 pages of utter nonsense. When I first joined the forum there would be some real gems of information, some really interesting insights into the 'scene' - those gems are becoming rarer by the day
5 pages of utter nonsense. When I first joined the forum there would be some real gems of information, some really interesting insights into the 'scene' - those gems are becoming rarer by the day
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Guest on Dec 15, 2008 22:23:39 GMT 1, no wonder Silky is bumping some old threads, this is getting very tiring.
no wonder Silky is bumping some old threads, this is getting very tiring.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by guest2 on Dec 15, 2008 22:36:13 GMT 1, are people creating these threads just because they are angry there is no ghetto this year (which was known about as it was posted on here loads in october) blimey
wasn't the POW queue this years ghetto under a different name? It had a burnt out car and everything.
are people creating these threads just because they are angry there is no ghetto this year (which was known about as it was posted on here loads in october) blimey wasn't the POW queue this years ghetto under a different name? It had a burnt out car and everything.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Sundowner on Dec 15, 2008 22:48:20 GMT 1, The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack.
Because you're the font of all knowledge aren't you.....
The problem with this thread (and the forum in general) is that it's full of people who think they have insider knowledge. The truth is, none of you know jack. Because you're the font of all knowledge aren't you.....
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Guest on Dec 15, 2008 22:51:04 GMT 1, no wonder Silky is bumping some old threads, this is getting very tiring. Or maybe it's to bury fabricated lies like this... And this... At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members.
thats the crap im talking about.
no wonder Silky is bumping some old threads, this is getting very tiring. Or maybe it's to bury fabricated lies like this... And this... At the end of the day, there isn't a s**t list. It's a myth created by forum members.
thats the crap im talking about.
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POW SHIT LIST!, by Daniel Silk on Dec 15, 2008 22:52:21 GMT 1, no wonder Silky is bumping some old threads, this is getting very tiring. Or maybe it's to bury fabricated lies like this... I have spoken to a few different people at POW about this and they have always said that the list does not exist, and that they dont block anyone from buying
All I can do is say what I have been told, I have no idea if they were telling me the truth or not. If what I have said is wrong, then so be it Its not my problem, I was just trying to help calm people knocking POW I will keep ma mouth shut next time
Thanks very much!
no wonder Silky is bumping some old threads, this is getting very tiring. Or maybe it's to bury fabricated lies like this... I have spoken to a few different people at POW about this and they have always said that the list does not exist, and that they dont block anyone from buying All I can do is say what I have been told, I have no idea if they were telling me the truth or not. If what I have said is wrong, then so be it Its not my problem, I was just trying to help calm people knocking POW I will keep ma mouth shut next time Thanks very much!
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POW SHIT LIST!, by leumasdarnley on Dec 15, 2008 22:52:25 GMT 1, Lets wrap this up:
If you want to buy from POW don't get on the list
If your on the list its bad and you are dumb
six pages summarized lock this wonderful thread
Lets wrap this up:
If you want to buy from POW don't get on the list
If your on the list its bad and you are dumb
six pages summarized lock this wonderful thread
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