[carlito]

spirit said:

frankie3 said:

Verbal speaks his mind, a dangerous thing to do if you are worried about the respect system! I'd plus him up but he's so far down it won't make a difference.

I was going to ask the same thing - that is by far the worst score I have ever seen ;D I thought people went and topped themselves at -50. +1 from me for clearly not giving a s**t!

Verbals rise to legendary negatives is before you're time and he loves it Verbal walks alone - missed u matey hope family things work out

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carlito said:

numusic said:

I think it's maybe a bit more basic.. substitute those beer bellied jumping blokes for mouse faced tennage girls and 99% of the board would be falling over themselves to get one. Quite funny I think..

great point Nu...I actually prefer these to the 'twee' previous images...but hey think I'm on my own with that opinion

nice to see a man in touch with his feminine side and not afraid to admit it.

[numusic]

carlito said:

numusic said:

I think it's maybe a bit more basic.. substitute those beer bellied jumping blokes for mouse faced tennage girls and 99% of the board would be falling over themselves to get one. Quite funny I think..

great point Nu...I actually prefer these to the 'twee' previous images...but hey think I'm on my own with that opinion

I think they're great, always been partial to the Minotaur ! If the scale of the orignals are very large, they'll be sooo incredibly imposing and a lot of people will change their minds about the prints IMO

[stuey09]

slammer said:

carlito said:

great point Nu...I actually prefer these to the 'twee' previous images...but hey think I'm on my own with that opinion

nice to see a man in touch with his feminine side and not afraid to admit it.

;D ;D ;D Don't say that to a man who owns a pink shirt, you'll give him a complex.

[carlito]

slammer said:

carlito said:

great point Nu...I actually prefer these to the 'twee' previous images...but hey think I'm on my own with that opinion

nice to see a man in touch with his feminine side and not afraid to admit it.

improvised minotaur really works for me..because its fuck off and in your face it can't help but raise a question or an opinion and I like it because of that

[arcam]

Check out this prize charlie they haven't even gone on sale yet and he was asking for £3K for a Minotaur.

cgi.ebay.co.uk/Anthony-Micallef-Lithograph-Improvised-Minotaur-Print_W0QQitemZ180160610565QQihZ008QQcategoryZ360QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Coach]

wtf ? and the listed has ended. wonder if someone used BIN.

[arcam]

dropout said:

wtf ? and the listed has ended. wonder if someone used BIN.

It ended early then got re-listed but it looks like it got pulled by ebay. Someone probably reported him.

[ricosg11]

maybe its just a young flipper practicing for his first shot at the big time

[reznyce]

I also think they're pretty bad. But I think they will sell out quickly anyway. Laz will make sure of that. After all, he sold a many of Paul Insect cow heads, which imo were pretty bad.
I like Micallef's work a lot, but it seems like many other artists, he's fallen into the let's make a quick buck trap. I bet Laz told him to throw some guns in there to make sure the shit sells.
I think I will spend my 1200 pounds on a Kelsey Brookes original instead.

[bobbymeachamjr]

one problem - all the questions and opinions raised are not original. Instead those questions and opinions are pretty boring now...

carlito said:

slammer said:

nice to see a man in touch with his feminine side and not afraid to admit it.

improvised minotaur really works for me..because its f**k off and in your face it can't help but raise a question or an opinion and I like it because of that

[pw]

reznyce said:

I bet Laz told him to throw some guns in there to make sure the s**t sells.

highly unlikely. Laz is obvioulsy very astute at PR and is no doubt a money grabbing t**t, but i doubt if he goes around telling his artists what to paint.

[endtimes]

Dissention in the ranks!

Interesting to see all the hate pushed over on these prints. I don't think they're his best prints ever but the only prints I like more than these are the Laz prints that were 4k and are now 6-8k such as we come in peace etc. But I think all the new ones are kind of nice. I'd take any of these over Friendly Fire or Judgement Day or many others and they will be less money compared to ebay. The huge size of the editions is a catch-22 though. More people will get them but it's a bit less desirable because...

That said I'm still debating about dropping over 2000 dollars on one. hmmm....

[bobbymeachamjr]

pretty naive
the prints are the big money maker for them. Its all about the money

pw said:

reznyce said:

I bet Laz told him to throw some guns in there to make sure the s**t sells.

highly unlikely. Laz is obvioulsy very astute at PR and is no doubt a money grabbing t**t, but i doubt if he goes around telling his artists what to paint.

[sausageboonwee]

I doubt ebay would have pulled the auction. I don't think they actually care too much

[Adamski]

I've been reading these Micallef posts and agree with some of the comments made here, although I still think the images are powerfull, if not a little derivative of some of his previous prints.

What I struggle with is that people are actually going to go and buy any of these, regardless of what the image is. They are lithos for gods sake.

There is a lot of discussions of giclee Vs screen prints on these forums, and rightly so. You can't ignore that some art needs to be reproduced with giclee, but litho? It's a cheap poster. Buy the book and cut out the pics, frame them and get yourself a series of Micaleffs.

£1100 for a litho poster? They're taking the p*ss. Anybody who buys one and then comes on here and says "wow, the quality is amazing in the flesh!" is either misguided or under the influence.

Sorry that this was a little off topic, but i'm amazed that they can get away with it.

[pezlow]

bobbymeachamjr said:

pretty naive
the prints are the big money maker for them. Its all about the money

pw said:

highly unlikely. Laz is obvioulsy very astute at PR and is no doubt a money grabbing t**t, but i doubt if he goes around telling his artists what to paint.

Another way of looking at it is that Mic has painted a large number of canvasses for the show but that Laz has advised him to release the ones with guns in as prints...

[numusic]

fishsoup2 said:

I've been reading these Micallef posts and agree with some of the comments made here, although I still think the images are powerfull, if not a little derivative of some of his previous prints.

What I struggle with is that people are actually going to go and buy any of these, regardless of what the image is. They are lithos for gods sake.

There is a lot of discussions of giclee Vs screen prints on these forums, and rightly so. You can't ignore that some art needs to be reproduced with giclee, but litho? It's a cheap poster. Buy the book and cut out the pics, frame them and get yourself a series of Micaleffs.

£1100 for a litho poster? They're taking the p*ss. Anybody who buys one and then comes on here and says "wow, the quality is amazing in the flesh!" is either misguided or under the influence.

Sorry that this was a little off topic, but i'm amazed that they can get away with it.

you're thinking of offset lithos... this is a completely different process

[pezlow]

There is no doubt that the lithos will be quality. Having seen some of the other lithos produced by Laz they have all been top quality. The colours you get with a proper (rather than offset) litho production are very very close to the original.

The only inevitable downside with a litho print compared to a screenprint is that the litho print will seem a bit "flat" in comparison and you can't reproduce the texture that comes with the screenprinting process.

[pezlow]

ps. CBL knows loads about lithographic printing and will no doubt be able to give you a technical explanation of how it all works.

[Adamski]

Yup, appologies, just looked it up, didn't realise there were 2 types of litho printing.

everyday's a schoolday, cheers for clearing that up for me.

Please ignore my rant above! ;D

Although, if anyone can post a link with a clear explanation of the difference, it would be appreciated.

[waveydavey]

I don't understand why people keep banging on about this being more of the same. I personally am not too bothered originality. Pretty much everything is derivative.

Picasso's dictum ‘Good artists borrow; great artists steal’

You either like them or you don't. I like the micallefs, particularly peace keeper.

[corblimeylimey]

fishsoup2 said:

Yup, appologies, just looked it up, didn't realise there were 2 types of litho printing.

everyday's a schoolday, cheers for clearing that up for me.

Please ignore my rant above! ;D

Although, if anyone can post a link with a clear explanation of the difference, it would be appreciated.

I've been told that they've probably been printed by www.thecurwenstudio.co.uk/ (although this is not known for a fact) one of the few places that do litho by hand rather than machine, and that they may use extra colours in addition to CMYK to get the colour match better, but I'd have thought that they'd be using an aluminum photo plate which will be much of a muchness to the plates that you would put on a machine press.

I've never seen a litho been done by hand apart from when I was at The London College of Printing in the mid 80's and that was done with a litho stone, but I can't remember much about it, it's a very rare technique, which is not often used commercially, more likely to be found at a college or art studio perhaps. You can pretty much assume that litho means offset machine litho 99.9% of the time.