i dont give two hoots for BE's opinion or reasons, hacking someones site, accessing peoples personal data and then using it to shame people on forums is pathetic and of the worst kind, actually its not art, its criminal. Tagging is the worst kind of graffiti, it shows the lowest form of creation.
So while some of you may agree with his/her/its view, I dont, I dont see the justification or the glory in it.
Why doesnt BE also hack other artist sites, like Banksy, Walker, or any other that has commissioned a piece, had shows in galleries, and sell pieces? The fact that its just D's site that is getting his/her/its wrath, smacks of more sinister reasons rather than artistic
Thats what im talking about alsbabar - its stupid to be even supporting this activity, its past art and into major criminal activity which carries a bigger sentence than a slap on the wrist and a visit from the social worker like she will get
"Tagging is the worst kind of graffiti, it shows the lowest form of creation"
Alot of work and skill goes into some tags, it is a form of art work. Marker pen tags bear resembelance to caligraphy and to do a good tag with a spray needs a good hand style and can control. Plus tagging is part of the history of graffiti and therefore part of the history of street art. Look at Jose Parla... he started as a tagger and now charges thousands of pounds for layers and layers of well formed tags.
dont forget that its not just about the street these days, thats a very blinkered view on it. Artists like D*FACE, Nick Walker etc etc have no other jobs. This is it. This is the way the earn the money to pay for their families - which for a fact i know d*face has.
How does it make you feel to be trying to take the life away from kids? because by trying to be all hard and self righteous on the subject you are doing just that. Its like trying to sabotage someones life for your gain and that matey will help you wind up in hell.
there is a massive malfunction going on it your head man.
c'mon the bleeding edge, this all started off with u asking why people go quiet when you say something on the forum, why no1 was challenging what u were saying
well i am, i am challenging you to show pictures of your work so that we can discuss something else rather than how ur just so much more 'street' than these sell out artists
im surprised u've made it out painting tonight without begging the forum to give u £80 but well done for that
and maybe the reason that no1 has photo'd your work you put up the past few days is that people just pass it by, and dont even notice its there ? the amount of people that live in the area, and that follow street art, surely if it was any good, it would have been photographed by now
Post by Avian Security on Jun 14, 2008 21:07:37 GMT 1
I kissed your arse? Pull your head out of your arse, cocknose. I sent you a PM because I was interested in who you were and what you did a few days ago, but that was before you revealed how utterly up yourself you are. And as I recall the reply was brief and arrogant. Quelle surprise, pissant. You just confirmed everything I suspected. You basically have a problem with me displaying my art on the internet. I just want people to see what I've done, it's a basic desire. Same reason I put it up in public places. I'm an art school reject, but I can now have an audience, albeit a small one, with the help of the internet. So yeah I put up on a forum, sorry I'm not gangsta enough for you but quite frankly I don't give a f**k what you think. I do not crave the respect of you and your mates and your clique, and it obviously IS some serious clique action no matter how much you deny it. Your bulls**t ranting is getting tiresome. How about you post some pictures of your stuff, you've been bigging yourself up for long enough.
It's like someone said, a lot goes on that you guys don't know about, some of the insults I am getting have nothing to do with my work, just my words or that abrasive thread I made (think about why that was).
Yeah alsbabar, you give em your graffiti 101 line you got from style wars, never mind London is known for dogging and subverting others pieces...
Remember I'm the one who told you about Christina, nobody else would have. Why don't I hit Banksy? Banksy never sold out.
Jeepers, you're a tit, you just slagged me off on a dface forum, you have slagged me off here, then agreed with me and then sent me a pm to kiss my ass when people were interested and now you see some negative posts I'm a c**t... let me ask something about that.. if you are putting your stuff up for the sole purpose of selling, how is that different from an advert? If "any image that is put infront of you without your permission is fair game" then why can't I hit your images? You have no idea what you believe in because you have never stood for anything in your life. Stop putting words in my mouth and saying I am a clicky bastard when everything I do is about keeping it open to everyone, including you. I don't care if you can or can't draw, I don't care if you started at 13 or 33, theres real and there's fake, real is born in, not sworn in. You're the sort of artist that gets up on a forum. Old School graffer? Me? You're a complete mug. Grafter gets respect, you get ridicule.
You don't get pieces without tagging, so I won't appologise for it, it's obviously not all I do and when you run into me doing large pieces or canvasses you are all for it, but tell me how much you hate the taggers, well guess what... WE ARE THE TAGGERS. Ever heard of Soma? Ever heard of art lives where the edge is? So why would you people who live so comfortably in the middle expect to be able to see what is going on? If it's all about the street then why don't you talk about the 2 pieces I did that consist of 7 characters between 4 and 6 feet tall instead of a dface hack that you don't care about? Because you aren't on the streets, you talk here and thats all a lot of you do. We don't want some of you to get it, we want to exclude you. We want you to completely miss the irony in buying a piece with anti-capatalist sentiments for a months wage. It's not an old/young thing, it's not a rich/poor thing, it's a real and fakething, but once more I'll give some friendly advice, hold your words when you are gettiing spiteful because a lot of the things you are saying will make you look like people who never had a clue to begin with... especially the s**t on that dface forum.
Guess where I am off to... to paint. No I don't want a camera crew, probably won't hit shoreditch at all today, and you can keep your print offers... I'll be sure to put it all up on the internet after though so I can 'get up'. If I never told you about christina, who would have... and I know loads more.
Oh and to that guy who said I called you rich mugs.. you mis-read, I was saying that's what some of the artists are calling you, I know them and that's what they say... I'm glad you didn't like the statement, I didn't like it when I heard it, but now you know that someone you dislike never said it and it was infact your superheroes, what do you think of it now?
1. You told us about Christina - WOW, gone all wobbly kneed. Artist gets a famous person commission work!!!!!!! Does anyone care about who commissions work from artists? 2. "WE ARE THE TAGGERS" I don't see any other artists jumping to your defense on here, agreeing with your point of view, what is this the royal we? This forum is not the be all and end all, but there are still a lot of artists on here, and who read the forum, None of which have jumped in to say what you have done was called for and have supported you. 3. You have failed at any point to back up any of your arguments and contradicted yourself. What begun as an interesting debate had descended into personal insults and an inability from you to carry out a reasoned and intelligent discussion. Where is your credibility? 4. You talk in riddles and half truths - I know them, they told me sort of sh*t. Personally I don't care. The only reason I feel moved to reply is that you've yet to convince me and I cannot read what you write and just let it pass unquestioned. You've already made some lame comment in retort to me defending Dface when you've clearly not read why I felt what you did was wrong. 5. I've still yet to see you post any images of your work, if it is yours that is above no wonder you having to beg for cash to buy spray paint. All this bluster from you at getting up on the street, please, if that's the best you can do give up. Limited ideas and poorly executed. "Something 4 the kids" oh you're so kind. You wanted a reaction, wanted a comment, grow up.
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