[mlyelmek]

My girlfriend and I have a small sum of +1600 euros to invest in a piece of art. We would like to buy an original work of art or a large print.
We are interested in artists like Paul Insect, Mark Drew, Bast, Date Farmers, Parra, Cleon Peterson, Taku Obata or Faile!

thank you very much in advance,

[nobokov]

Feb 1, 2020 16:52:48 GMT 1 mlyelmek said:

My girlfriend and I have a small sum of +1600 euros to invest in a piece of art. We would like to buy an original work of art or a large print.
We are interested in artists like Paul Insect, Mark Drew, Bast, Date Farmers, Parra, Cleon Peterson, Taku Obata or Faile!

thank you very much in advance,

Nice artists, but if you're talking investment, most of those would not be ones to "invest" in. You would be extremely lucky to recoup your funds in the future. But if you're looking for something to enjoy, Cleon releases cheap prints monthly for $150. Just wait around until you like one of the new releases rather than pay second hand.

[thor]

I would go for one of paul insects " Clockwork " prints..these are rising in value and will continue to do so as they are iconic images and sought after.

[thor]

Rootona has one for sale at the moment if you look now you will see it.

[GMA]

Don't wanna piss on your parade but I'd suggest spending the money on works you will enjoy rather than something for investment sake. That way you'll get more out of it and won't worry so much about whether the value has risen or not.

If that's not your bag....research, as you would any other investment.

[nobokov]

For the least risky art investment, always buy from the source at release. For max profit never buy on the secondary market.

[pfffffffffft]

Art as investment is a crap shoot, sometimes. The rule for art is buy what you love.

If you really want to invest your money buy a nice dividend stock or low fee fund (like vanguard) and set it to DRIP then forget it.

[Happy Shopper]

Feb 1, 2020 16:52:48 GMT 1 mlyelmek said:

My girlfriend and I have a small sum of +1600 euros to invest in a piece of art. We would like to buy an original work of art or a large print.
We are interested in artists like Paul Insect, Mark Drew, Bast, Date Farmers, Parra, Cleon Peterson, Taku Obata or Faile!

thank you very much in advance,

Out of that group, I’d choose something by Paul Insect.
Maybe one or two of the Allouche prints, or main edition Crystal Habits (might be in the ball park)

[cnrdvln]

max rumbol

[LJCal]

None of those artists are blue chip and you probably won’t get much growth. Paul Insect probably has the biggest following but his latest print releases have been pricy in my view and often sell for less on the secondary market. Some of his earlier prints seem better value and if you buy well you will probably do OK. If I were you I’d save up and get to about 10,000 euro then you can pick up some blue chip artists which have a proven track record and will likely prove better long term investments.

[jimmyjam]

If you are investing in art, like everyone already mentioned, really study the market for a bit and also keep all paper work. If I could add anything is; I would print out all emails and receipts from the gallery or artist and store them somewhere safe. Also keep in mind framing cost for a invested piece.


You don’t want to deal with this in the future so keep all paper works somewhere safe as well.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/24/arts/design/fake-art-prints.amp.html

[nobokov]

Also I would add that art may not be the best long term investment if you're choosing those artists. They release a ton of prints as most artists and in the near future, I'd bet on a big downturn. Just take a look at this forum. It's innundated with for sale posts on a daily basis, many languishing for months without any interest.

Spoke art releases the Mark Drew prints.

Cleon, from his own website. Or you could maybe email him to see if there's an AP available for a particular image you like.

Parra, try emailing Case Studyo or OTI gallery for upcoming releases.

Paul insect seems to release a few more affordable releases, sub-1000 a few times a year.

Good luck

[gd79]

I think anyone on this forum with a decent collection would admit that a good half of the pieces are now worth about nothing. If you're really thinking of art as an investment, don't. And if you still want to, you probably need to look beyond sinking all your chips onto one number. As said above, it's a crapshoot.

As a suggestion, spend a small amount on something that looks great and put the rest in a mutual fund or similar. For large, original work I think ABC has some storming stuff (and no, no relation or obligation to push him)

antonycollings.bigcartel.com/

[Terry Fuckwitt]

No offence to anyone, but any chance we can ban the words 'blue-chip' on this forum. Always makes me feel a little nauseous when I read it on an urban art forum, or anywhere to be honest.

[Quinnster]

Feb 1, 2020 20:02:12 GMT 1 gd79 said:

I think anyone on this forum with a decent collection would admit that a good half of the pieces are now worth about nothing. If you're really thinking of art as an investment, don't. And if you still want to, you probably need to look beyond sinking all your chips onto one number. As said above, it's a crapshoot.

As a suggestion, spend a small amount on something that looks great and put the rest in a mutual fund or similar. For large, original work I think ABC has some storming stuff (and no, no relation or obligation to push him)

antonycollings.bigcartel.com/

I would strongly dispute this. Most of my collection has gone up in value and at worst a few I could sell at cost.

[gd79]

Feb 1, 2020 20:17:01 GMT 1 Quinnster said:

Feb 1, 2020 20:02:12 GMT 1 gd79 said:

I think anyone on this forum with a decent collection would admit that a good half of the pieces are now worth about nothing. If you're really thinking of art as an investment, don't. And if you still want to, you probably need to look beyond sinking all your chips onto one number. As said above, it's a crapshoot.

As a suggestion, spend a small amount on something that looks great and put the rest in a mutual fund or similar. For large, original work I think ABC has some storming stuff (and no, no relation or obligation to push him)

antonycollings.bigcartel.com/

I would strongly dispute this. Most of my collection has gone up in value and at worst a few I could sell at cost.

OP - take your advice on what to buy from this guy then. The art market is a one way street. I'll go back to admiring my Micallef on the wall.

[Quinnster]

Feb 1, 2020 21:19:28 GMT 1 gd79 said:

Feb 1, 2020 20:17:01 GMT 1 Quinnster said:

I would strongly dispute this. Most of my collection has gone up in value and at worst a few I could sell at cost.

OP - take your advice on what to buy from this guy then. The art market is a one way street. I'll go back to admiring my Micallef on the wall.

Iv got a Tokyo Girl that I would get my money back on and a HFUNG I could make money on. I love Micallef.

You are recommending ABC as an investment no wonder you lose money in your purchases.

[nobokov]

For it to be an investment, you have to buy what other people love or to get others to believe in your love.

[Quinnster]

Feb 1, 2020 22:05:36 GMT 1 nobokov said:

For it to be an investment, you have to buy what other people love or to get others to believe in your love.

If you buy what you love chances are someone else will love it too.

If you buy into hype then chances are you will lose out.

[gd79]

Feb 1, 2020 21:45:01 GMT 1 Quinnster said:

Feb 1, 2020 21:19:28 GMT 1 gd79 said:

OP - take your advice on what to buy from this guy then. The art market is a one way street. I'll go back to admiring my Micallef on the wall.

Iv got a Tokyo Girl that I would get my money back on and a HFUNG I could make money on. I love Micallef.

You are recommending ABC as an investment no wonder you lose money in your purchases.

Missing the point. I'm probably not being so clear. I do not lose money at all, but i accept that a big chunk of the art that I buy is not an investment. For every big winner there are a few that fade into obscurity, so to try and find one piece of art that you can make a big return on kind of misses the point (short of getting lucky on a drop).

I must have art by a couple of hundred different artists, and a lot of it was bought to enjoy regardless of the potential return. When I need return, I buy mutual funds (which aren't sexy, but it's the only thing I am allowed to buy).

If you're buying art trying to second guess what you can sell on for a profit then you're buying hype, which as you say is a mugs game.

FWIW I think ABC's work looks great, and I am explicitly not saying that's where you should park your nest egg.

[Quinnster]

Feb 1, 2020 22:36:48 GMT 1 gd79 said:

Feb 1, 2020 21:45:01 GMT 1 Quinnster said:

Iv got a Tokyo Girl that I would get my money back on and a HFUNG I could make money on. I love Micallef.

You are recommending ABC as an investment no wonder you lose money in your purchases.

Missing the point. I'm probably not being so clear. I do not lose money at all, but i accept that a big chunk of the art that I buy is not an investment. For every big winner there are a few that fade into obscurity, so to try and find one piece of art that you can make a big return on kind of misses the point (short of getting lucky on a drop).

I must have art by a couple of hundred different artists, and a lot of it was bought to enjoy regardless of the potential return. When I need return, I buy mutual funds (which aren't sexy, but it's the only thing I am allowed to buy).

If you're buying art trying to second guess what you can sell on for a profit then you're buying hype, which as you say is a mugs game.

FWIW I think ABC's work looks great, and I am explicitly not saying that's where you should park your nest egg.

It’s very hard to make money these days. 15 years ago alll you needed to do was buy from POW and sell on eBay

[moonkeyjunkie]

Feb 1, 2020 22:36:48 GMT 1 gd79 said:

Feb 1, 2020 21:45:01 GMT 1 Quinnster said:

Iv got a Tokyo Girl that I would get my money back on and a HFUNG I could make money on. I love Micallef.

You are recommending ABC as an investment no wonder you lose money in your purchases.

Missing the point. I'm probably not being so clear. I do not lose money at all, but i accept that a big chunk of the art that I buy is not an investment. For every big winner there are a few that fade into obscurity, so to try and find one piece of art that you can make a big return on kind of misses the point (short of getting lucky on a drop).

I must have art by a couple of hundred different artists, and a lot of it was bought to enjoy regardless of the potential return. When I need return, I buy mutual funds (which aren't sexy, but it's the only thing I am allowed to buy).

If you're buying art trying to second guess what you can sell on for a profit then you're buying hype, which as you say is a mugs game.

FWIW I think ABC's work looks great, and I am explicitly not saying that's where you should park your nest egg.

Love ABCs work it’s really come on!

[jimbofatz]

NICE to see some reality on this board. Most of these current artists/prints are treading water at best.

I would look at the OGs of urban art who are well known in the US: Raymond Pettibon, TWiST, Futura, 3D. Each one of those guys is a legend, couple that with good gallery representation and well received shows and youll have a great collection. I dont understand why people are investing in new artists when some of the best OGs of the genre are still at an affordable price point and haven’t even had their turn yet. I do not think we have seen the apex of appreciation for urban art. I’d expect a big price move on the above artists I mentioned within the next few years.

[cest]

Shepard fairey has "Greater than fear" at the sfmoma in their permanent collection. Your kids kids can go there and know that the same edition is in your collection

[Deleted]

Feb 1, 2020 16:52:48 GMT 1 mlyelmek said:

My girlfriend and I have a small sum of +1600 euros to invest in a piece of art. We would like to buy an original work of art or a large print.
We are interested in artists like Paul Insect, Mark Drew, Bast, Date Farmers, Parra, Cleon Peterson, Taku Obata or Faile!

thank you very much in advance,

mate get yourself some cyber tech stocks

[Jaylove]

Take that money and invest in stocks. “Street art” is a terrible investment IMO because as some have said, it’s a crapshoot. On top of that, what if you damage the art? Stock is a much better investment and will make you more money. You’re not getting rich off this shit.

[wrigs]

Sadly €1600 is a drop in the pond in the art market so better off buying something you both enjoy. Those who make big money in the art world either get lucky early days with an artist, which is generally rare, or buy established artists at big prices which are already hyped which involves having a lot of cash to start with. Go with the stock market if purely investment purposes

[Deleted]

Even buying at source as suggested above is not advisable for any old artist. Even the established ones can and do go for below release price. Just look on ebay and you will find people like Eine and Nick Walker below cost. A lot of people would buy prints on a drop as they knew it would sell out instantly and be a quick double your money on ebay. Everyone knew that and you ended up with the The Trainer (sneaker) flippers, supreme flippers etc all buying art. This created a false demand and these flippers started to find their fingers burnt. I think a lot of people learnt their lesson. If you cna grab an invader on release then there'es little risk but there's not many drops like this. You have artists like Eine and Walker who churn out pieces and so supply outstrips demand.

[zacksz 123123]

Feb 2, 2020 10:42:07 GMT 1 wrigs said:

Sadly €1600 is a drop in the pond in the art market so better off buying something you both enjoy. Those who make big money in the art world either get lucky early days with an artist, which is generally rare, or buy established artists at big prices which are already hyped which involves having a lot of cash to start with. Go with the stock market if purely investment purposes

1600 is also a drop in the stock market. To see real investments OP would need to take some risks with penny stocks before really getting involved in the stock market

[Terry Fuckwitt]

20 Peckham postcards...job done😁