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Hey All,

I know lots of owners and fans here of Pejac, but it feels to me like since the loveletter "stunt" his market has been taking a bit of a hit and lots on offer when it seemed untouchable for a while. This is the way of things... look at Harland Miller or Invader recently, but I am curious if people think that loveletter print and its price single-handedly started a small pullback the Pejac market and Pejac fanclub.

I do.

Have other artists had a similar print that has thrown a wrench in the gears ? I know Maya Hayuk did, that's for sure. 

And I'm not saying Pejac is dead, done, or dusted, just thinking that one print seemed to have changed the trajectory - 

[jbelleit]

What was the print for Maya Hayuk? (just trying to learn things...)

[Deleted]

She released the below image. I'm half joking that it hurt her market, but its just so terrible and was the butt of a lot of jokes around here -

 

[Masong]

Feb 20, 2019 16:45:27 GMT 1 jbelleit said:

What was the print for Maya Hayuk? (just trying to learn things...)

Got to be Farewell My Hero & Prince.. That’s was a stinker, putting it very politely

[jbelleit]

Wow...I really like her works but that is awful...wow! Sometimes when you drop acid you might not want to make career decisions in the middle of the trip.

[churchwood]

Hadn't seen this for a while - confirms that not everything improves with age

[Matt]

Classic story : Too high too fast, and a disproportionate amount of the fan base on the forum

[juni0209]

I can’t see how love letter would hurt te career of Pejac. It’s a wonderfull piece. Wouldn’t mind getting some prints for less though...😉

[nobokov]

From the looks of it, the Desprestigio has sailed. Luckily only a select group will be affected by the downturn.

[Deleted]

Feb 20, 2019 17:03:54 GMT 1 Matt said:

Classic story : Too high too fast, and a disproportionate amount of the fan base on the forum

I agree. I think the forum representation is obviously skewed, but it's not just us who were out there buying anything Pejac. But yes, too high too fast, agreed. 

[Deleted]

Feb 20, 2019 17:08:27 GMT 1 juni0209 said:

I can’t see how love letter would hurt te career of Pejac. It’s a wonderfull piece. Wouldn’t mind getting some prints for less though...😉

I don't think it hurt the career per say, just the price of his works and the desire to hold which is the same at buying at today's market price. Seems people are not liking this bet as much as they used to - 

[juni0209]

Feb 20, 2019 17:18:56 GMT 1 losvce said:

Feb 20, 2019 17:08:27 GMT 1 juni0209 said:

I can’t see how love letter would hurt te career of Pejac. It’s a wonderfull piece. Wouldn’t mind getting some prints for less though...😉

I don't think it hurt the career per say, just the price of his works and the desire to hold which is the same at buying at today's market price. Seems people are not liking this bet as much as they used to - 

By works you mean prints?

[Deleted]

Feb 20, 2019 17:21:11 GMT 1 juni0209 said:

Feb 20, 2019 17:18:56 GMT 1 losvce said:

I don't think it hurt the career per say, just the price of his works and the desire to hold which is the same at buying at today's market price. Seems people are not liking this bet as much as they used to - 

By works you mean prints?

Yes, by works I mean prints. I have zero idea on his OG market, but to me that's usually a different market all together. Obviously they are correlated, but I have seen things happen in Murakami land where OG seem to soften, but prints get bid. So anyway, yes prints. 

[juni0209]

Feb 20, 2019 17:33:13 GMT 1 losvce said:

Feb 20, 2019 17:21:11 GMT 1 juni0209 said:

By works you mean prints?

Yes, by works I mean prints. I have zero idea on his OG market, but to me that's usually a different market all together. Obviously they are correlated, but I have seen things happen in Murakami land where OG seem to soften, but prints get bid. So anyway, yes prints. 

I think it is the case for most artists that prints are overvalued. Certainly on the secondary market.

[teabaggins]

Feb 20, 2019 16:35:59 GMT 1 losvce said:

Hey All,

I know lots of owners and fans here of Pejac, but it feels to me like since the loveletter "stunt" his market has been taking a bit of a hit and lots on offer when it seemed untouchable for a while. This is the way of things... look at Harland Miller or Invader recently, but I am curious if people think that loveletter print and its price single-handedly started a small pullback the Pejac market and Pejac fanclub.

I do.

Have other artists had a similar print that has thrown a wrench in the gears ? I know Maya Hayuk did, that's for sure. 

And I'm not saying Pejac is dead, done, or dusted, just thinking that one print seemed to have changed the trajectory - 

intersting. Has Harland’s market taken a hit? His last release (tonight we make history) seems to have gone pretty well. The lesser quality titles seem to be the ones that “entrepreneurs” made a mad dash to round up then they were still available at source 2 years ago and not can’t turn for a mad profit. No surprise there. Still, if talking monetary, the entry point of one of his prints is not really comparable to Pejac or Invader.

Invaders market was proven to be simply manufactured over the last 18 months by a few with vested interest that are now sitting on loads of inventory. Shame as he deserves real recognition imo.

Pejac is super talented imo. Is deserving of recognition, and is doing some incredible and kind of inspiring outdoor work. That said he essentially does not exist outside of this place. Hopefully that will change one day. If you are buying his work with a motivation beyond just liking it you are probably doing it wrong.

[Kevin Anderson]

Feb 20, 2019 16:45:27 GMT 1 jbelleit said:

What was the print for Maya Hayuk? (just trying to learn things...)

Don’t forget this tour de force!

[Rouen Cathedral]

Has pejac market really taken a hit since live letter? Im not sure I've seen it

[Deleted]

I cannot believe that I forgot that dolphins. That was also absolutely amazing. I'm actually tempted to buy both of them out of sheer fascination.

[Deleted]

On top of all this, he posted two hours ago about the Love Letter special edition.

www.instagram.com/pejac_art/?hl=en

You on this thread Pejac ? Still love your work man don't get me wrong.

[Fake]

I think a timed release has given al the galleries who re-sell his work scored one and maybe more.
So you now see so many for sale... they probably bought half the edition lol.

[Deleted]

I’m not sure where Harland fits into this? The classic penguin images are commanding top dollar. The recent small release is 20k now , 10-14 on release. He doesn’t need this forums hype

[tab1]

Feb 20, 2019 16:35:59 GMT 1 losvce said:

Hey All,

I know lots of owners and fans here of Pejac, but it feels to me like since the loveletter "stunt" his market has been taking a bit of a hit and lots on offer when it seemed untouchable for a while. This is the way of things... look at Harland Miller or Invader recently, but I am curious if people think that loveletter print and its price single-handedly started a small pullback the Pejac market and Pejac fanclub.

I do.

Have other artists had a similar print that has thrown a wrench in the gears ? I know Maya Hayuk did, that's for sure. 

And I'm not saying Pejac is dead, done, or dusted, just thinking that one print seemed to have changed the trajectory - 

A lot more pejacs listed in the last 24hrs than the last couple of months ..

[Graham H]

Pure coincidence on my part

Feb 20, 2019 22:30:55 GMT 1 tab1 said:

Feb 20, 2019 16:35:59 GMT 1 losvce said:

Hey All,

I know lots of owners and fans here of Pejac, but it feels to me like since the loveletter "stunt" his market has been taking a bit of a hit and lots on offer when it seemed untouchable for a while. This is the way of things... look at Harland Miller or Invader recently, but I am curious if people think that loveletter print and its price single-handedly started a small pullback the Pejac market and Pejac fanclub.

I do.

Have other artists had a similar print that has thrown a wrench in the gears ? I know Maya Hayuk did, that's for sure. 

And I'm not saying Pejac is dead, done, or dusted, just thinking that one print seemed to have changed the trajectory - 

A lot more pejacs listed in the last 24hrs than the last couple of months ..

[artearte]

Feb 20, 2019 22:03:02 GMT 1 @icollectart1980 said:

I’m not sure where Harland fits into this? The classic penguin images are commanding top dollar. The recent small release is 20k now , 10-14 on release. He doesn’t need this forums hype

Millers are not selling! Check the gallery and those are full of unsold millers

[Deleted]

Feb 20, 2019 23:01:38 GMT 1 artearte said:

Feb 20, 2019 22:03:02 GMT 1 @icollectart1980 said:

I’m not sure where Harland fits into this? The classic penguin images are commanding top dollar. The recent small release is 20k now , 10-14 on release. He doesn’t need this forums hype

Millers are not selling! Check the gallery and those are full of unsold millers

Galleries are over priced. You can’t sell a Monet at the wrong price!

Harland is grade A , represented by a major gallery and has been around a very long time. He’s not some forum fodder like the others being discussed.,

[.dappy]

Feb 20, 2019 23:20:08 GMT 1 @icollectart1980 said:

Feb 20, 2019 23:01:38 GMT 1 artearte said:

Millers are not selling! Check the gallery and those are full of unsold millers

Galleries are over priced. You can’t sell a Monet at the wrong price!

Harland is grade A , represented by a major gallery and has been around a very long time. He’s not some forum fodder like the others being discussed.,

... pejac forum fodder?

[Shoeless]

Sell! Sell! Sell!

I have 1k for your Meadow print.
Get out while you can!

[Redbirds]

Feb 20, 2019 23:36:07 GMT 1 Shoeless said:

Sell! Sell! Sell!

I have 1k for your Meadow print.
Get out while you can!

Amen to that -sell sell -got Vote print for any Pejac -rising JW for sinking Pejac -tie your art mule to a winner

[Deleted]

Feb 20, 2019 23:29:58 GMT 1 .dappy said:

Feb 20, 2019 23:20:08 GMT 1 @icollectart1980 said:

Galleries are over priced. You can’t sell a Monet at the wrong price!

Harland is grade A , represented by a major gallery and has been around a very long time. He’s not some forum fodder like the others being discussed.,

... pejac forum fodder?

Pejac is primarily bought and sold on here. He’s been pumped hard and a lot of people are now selling. That’s how the forum is..

To compare him to Harland miller, an established artist, represented by a major gallery’s, sold through every major auction house, seems a bit daft.

When the forum moves onto the next great hope (insert Oli Epp etc here) I see the market slowing.

Talented - yes, is that enough - who knows

[tab1]

Feb 20, 2019 16:54:09 GMT 1 jbelleit said:

Wow...I really like her works but that is awful...wow! Sometimes when you drop acid you might not want to make career decisions in the middle of the trip.

Think America was in the grip of spice aka mojo aka k2 when this print was released 😉 , acid is old school 👵🏻