Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pattycakes on Oct 6, 2018 6:26:01 GMT 1, Of course PCO entered it themselves, and Sotheby's knew exactly what would happen. Yes this is a good stunt but don't be naive and think the whole thing wasn't planned very carefully between the two.
Of course PCO entered it themselves, and Sotheby's knew exactly what would happen. Yes this is a good stunt but don't be naive and think the whole thing wasn't planned very carefully between the two.
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Catman 74
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Catman 74 on Oct 6, 2018 7:18:12 GMT 1, " I can't believe you Morons actually buy this shit"...HAHAHAHA..Damn you Banksy! You're a fucking genius mate!
" I can't believe you Morons actually buy this shit"...HAHAHAHA..Damn you Banksy! You're a fucking genius mate!
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Express Post
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Express Post on Oct 6, 2018 8:14:59 GMT 1, For all the Oli Epp superfans, a 22 year old painted this.
For all the Oli Epp superfans, a 22 year old painted this.
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Eton Groover
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Eton Groover on Oct 6, 2018 9:03:56 GMT 1, I thought it was a bit Jeremy Beadle. And it didnโt appear to work properly. Banksy has to be careful he doesnโt โjump the sharkโ one day.
I thought it was a bit Jeremy Beadle. And it didnโt appear to work properly. Banksy has to be careful he doesnโt โjump the sharkโ one day.
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Schrรถdinger's Chat on Oct 6, 2018 9:17:28 GMT 1, Everyone loved a bit of Beadle, no?
Everyone loved a bit of Beadle, no?
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Express Post
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Express Post on Oct 6, 2018 9:21:54 GMT 1, Thanks for contributing another example of a quality painter. Oli probably needs a mahout to up his painting game too.
For all the Oli Epp superfans, a 22 year old painted this.ย An elephant painted this.
Thanks for contributing another example of a quality painter. Oli probably needs a mahout to up his painting game too. For all the Oli Epp superfans, a 22 year old painted this.ย An elephant painted this.
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naughtyshorty
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by naughtyshorty on Oct 6, 2018 9:54:12 GMT 1, Something was up from the get go for me. For a start, it was clearly a recent painting and not from 2006 or whatever the blurb stated - he simply didn't do canvases with this kind of classic image (especially Girl With Balloon's) with that much detail (as pointed out by Met) 12 years ago. Add to this the listing stated that it was dedicated on the rear, specifically to anyone who asked to none other than Jo Brookes. Sotheby's were clearly in on it all along - like a shredder built into a canvas is going to go unnoticed?! - and that for me completely ruins the entire stunt.
Does the message behind this whole โstuntโ honestly get ruined just because a couple people may have been in on it? I find that sad to believe that Banksy commentary from this piece about art, investors, speculators, disposability, control and power all get lost on you just because some people may have โbeen in on itโ. What a shame.
For what itโs worth, I doubt they were given how he likes to approach his stunts, but who knows.
Something was up from the get go for me. For a start, it was clearly a recent painting and not from 2006 or whatever the blurb stated - he simply didn't do canvases with this kind of classic image (especially Girl With Balloon's) with that much detail (as pointed out by Met) 12 years ago. Add to this the listing stated that it was dedicated on the rear, specifically to anyone who asked to none other than Jo Brookes. Sotheby's were clearly in on it all along - like a shredder built into a canvas is going to go unnoticed?! - and that for me completely ruins the entire stunt. Does the message behind this whole โstuntโ honestly get ruined just because a couple people may have been in on it? I find that sad to believe that Banksy commentary from this piece about art, investors, speculators, disposability, control and power all get lost on you just because some people may have โbeen in on itโ. What a shame. For what itโs worth, I doubt they were given how he likes to approach his stunts, but who knows.
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Pawel
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pawel on Oct 6, 2018 10:23:01 GMT 1, Something was up from the get go for me. For a start, it was clearly a recent painting and not from 2006 or whatever the blurb stated - he simply didn't do canvases with this kind of classic image (especially Girl With Balloon's) with that much detail (as pointed out by Met) 12 years ago. Add to this the listing stated that it was dedicated on the rear, specifically to anyone who asked to none other than Jo Brookes. Sotheby's were clearly in on it all along - like a shredder built into a canvas is going to go unnoticed?! - and that for me completely ruins the entire stunt. Does the message behind this whole โstuntโ honestly get ruined just because a couple people may have been in on it? I find that sad to believe that Banksy commentary from this piece about art, investors, speculators, disposability, control and power all get lost on you just because some people may have โbeen in on itโ. What a shame. For what itโs worth, I doubt they were given how he likes to approach his stunts, but who knows.
I'd much prefer him to comment on the investors and speculators by releasing some new editions
Something was up from the get go for me. For a start, it was clearly a recent painting and not from 2006 or whatever the blurb stated - he simply didn't do canvases with this kind of classic image (especially Girl With Balloon's) with that much detail (as pointed out by Met) 12 years ago. Add to this the listing stated that it was dedicated on the rear, specifically to anyone who asked to none other than Jo Brookes. Sotheby's were clearly in on it all along - like a shredder built into a canvas is going to go unnoticed?! - and that for me completely ruins the entire stunt. Does the message behind this whole โstuntโ honestly get ruined just because a couple people may have been in on it? I find that sad to believe that Banksy commentary from this piece about art, investors, speculators, disposability, control and power all get lost on you just because some people may have โbeen in on itโ. What a shame. For what itโs worth, I doubt they were given how he likes to approach his stunts, but who knows. I'd much prefer him to comment on the investors and speculators by releasing some new editions
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eyectopus
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by eyectopus on Oct 6, 2018 11:24:25 GMT 1, Of course Sotheby's were in on it, it was a canvas with a built in shredding machine in the frame ffs! I have entered canvases into primary auction houses with dated, signed professional condition appraisals from conservators approved by the auction house. They then donโt need to open the back of a framed canvas and just appraise it โin frameโ. So it is not beyond doubt that Sothebyโs was in on it.
I agree, and the fact that it was described as in artists frame would mean it could have been looked at as a whole piece. Also, would this be now looked at as something different from a painting, such as a sculpture?
Of course Sotheby's were in on it, it was a canvas with a built in shredding machine in the frame ffs! I have entered canvases into primary auction houses with dated, signed professional condition appraisals from conservators approved by the auction house. They then donโt need to open the back of a framed canvas and just appraise it โin frameโ. So it is not beyond doubt that Sothebyโs was in on it. I agree, and the fact that it was described as in artists frame would mean it could have been looked at as a whole piece. Also, would this be now looked at as something different from a painting, such as a sculpture?
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irl1
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by irl1 on Oct 6, 2018 11:31:17 GMT 1, Im guessing he was asking about the shredding as opposed to the price ? What a surprise, irl1 not seeing any further than simply the pounds and pence value of art. dogstar, put a muzzle on it and lets all enjoy the moment
Im guessing he was asking about the shredding as opposed to the price ? What a surprise, irl1 not seeing any further than simply the pounds and pence value of art. dogstar, put a muzzle on it and lets all enjoy the moment
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shy
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by shy on Oct 6, 2018 12:05:23 GMT 1, Im guessing he was asking about the shredding as opposed to the price ? What a surprise, irl1 not seeing any further than simply the pounds and pence value of art. What's wrong with you man?
You really have a frickin problem dude!
why such a sour person???
Im guessing he was asking about the shredding as opposed to the price ? What a surprise, irl1 not seeing any further than simply the pounds and pence value of art. What's wrong with you man? You really have a frickin problem dude! why such a sour person???
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bsimkin
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by bsimkin on Oct 6, 2018 15:12:35 GMT 1, Banksy just posted a video to Instagram of him creating the frame and the live auction footage of it shredding. But then the post was deleted. Hmm...
Banksy just posted a video to Instagram of him creating the frame and the live auction footage of it shredding. But then the post was deleted. Hmm...
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dotdot
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by dotdot on Oct 6, 2018 16:08:12 GMT 1, Banksy just posted a video to Instagram of him creating the frame and the live auction footage of it shredding. But then the post was deleted. Hmm...
yeah i saw that... only had 60 odd views then .. it vanished.
hmm
Banksy just posted a video to Instagram of him creating the frame and the live auction footage of it shredding. But then the post was deleted. Hmm... yeah i saw that... only had 60 odd views then .. it vanished. hmm
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Pipes
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pipes on Oct 6, 2018 16:10:26 GMT 1, Grabbed a few screenshots - itโs still playing on my IG app.
Grabbed a few screenshots - itโs still playing on my IG app.
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Pipes
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pipes on Oct 6, 2018 16:20:15 GMT 1, Looks like no taking that back then !
Thatโs the age we live in. Once you publish - itโs out there !
Looks like no taking that back then !
Thatโs the age we live in. Once you publish - itโs out there !
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hnkpnk
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by hnkpnk on Oct 6, 2018 16:44:24 GMT 1,
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Hairbland
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Hairbland on Oct 6, 2018 16:46:05 GMT 1, Stories have someone dressed like and looking like Robin Gunningham creating a kerfluffle with security and being apprehended at the exit, part of the spectacle.
Stories have someone dressed like and looking like Robin Gunningham creating a kerfluffle with security and being apprehended at the exit, part of the spectacle.
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Pattycakes
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iamzero
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by iamzero on Oct 6, 2018 16:48:31 GMT 1, Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years?
Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years?
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pattycakes on Oct 6, 2018 17:02:28 GMT 1, Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? Look at Ollie Barker as he's hammering down the lot, he can't help smiling, if anyone out there doesn't realise that Sotheby's was in on this prank then they are morons.
Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? Look at Ollie Barker as he's hammering down the lot, he can't help smiling, if anyone out there doesn't realise that Sotheby's was in on this prank then they are morons.
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Pysgod
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pysgod on Oct 6, 2018 17:06:20 GMT 1, Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? wow you are another level of dumb
you put a new battery in just before it goes into the auction house
Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? wow you are another level of dumb you put a new battery in just before it goes into the auction house
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duggyfresh
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by duggyfresh on Oct 6, 2018 17:11:41 GMT 1, how do you guys think the shredder activated? by someone in the room by remote or phone?
how do you guys think the shredder activated? by someone in the room by remote or phone?
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Pysgod
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pysgod on Oct 6, 2018 17:13:19 GMT 1, Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? Look at Ollie Barker as he's hammering down the lot, he can't help smiling, if anyone out there doesn't realise that Sotheby's was in on this prank then they are morons. I think you will find you are being the moron
Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? Look at Ollie Barker as he's hammering down the lot, he can't help smiling, if anyone out there doesn't realise that Sotheby's was in on this prank then they are morons. I think you will find you are being the moron
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Aza
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Aza on Oct 6, 2018 17:19:11 GMT 1, Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? wow you are another level of dumb you put a new battery in just before it goes into the auction house Who put the new battery in? Who owned it just before it sold?
Iโm not buying that story. I thought the catalogue said the piece was from 2006? That would mean the battery in the frame wouldโve had to still have power in it after 12 years? wow you are another level of dumb you put a new battery in just before it goes into the auction house Who put the new battery in? Who owned it just before it sold?
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by Pattycakes on Oct 6, 2018 17:36:09 GMT 1, Look at Ollie Barker as he's hammering down the lot, he can't help smiling, if anyone out there doesn't realise that Sotheby's was in on this prank then they are morons. I think you will find you are being the moron I was referring to a rather well known Banksy work which also features the interior of an auction house but clearly you didn't get the reference.
Look at Ollie Barker as he's hammering down the lot, he can't help smiling, if anyone out there doesn't realise that Sotheby's was in on this prank then they are morons. I think you will find you are being the moron I was referring to a rather well known Banksy work which also features the interior of an auction house but clearly you didn't get the reference.
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gtf
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by gtf on Oct 6, 2018 17:45:44 GMT 1, My bet is the painting was not shredded but rolled back up into the frame. A separate canvas/print that had been shredded in advance was then lowered out of the bottom of the frame simultaneously.
The blades shown in the video are not aligned in a way to cut the canvas so either an additional/different mechanism was installed after the video or it was never intended to shred the painting. Cutting canvas is not as easy as cutting paper! Banksy has previous with electro-mechanical devices so I could be totally wrong
Great stunt and lots of people talking about! Most read story on the BBC website.
My bet is the painting was not shredded but rolled back up into the frame. A separate canvas/print that had been shredded in advance was then lowered out of the bottom of the frame simultaneously. The blades shown in the video are not aligned in a way to cut the canvas so either an additional/different mechanism was installed after the video or it was never intended to shred the painting. Cutting canvas is not as easy as cutting paper! Banksy has previous with electro-mechanical devices so I could be totally wrong Great stunt and lots of people talking about! Most read story on the BBC website.
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chevyav53
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Sotheby's Contemporary Art 5th October, by chevyav53 on Oct 6, 2018 17:56:19 GMT 1, Ahh capitalist Banksy at it again. Increasing his media attention and in turn his artโs value. Man is a true genius. Definitely in cahoots with the auction house.
Ahh capitalist Banksy at it again. Increasing his media attention and in turn his artโs value. Man is a true genius. Definitely in cahoots with the auction house.
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