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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by dkla on Feb 17, 2018 7:03:51 GMT 1, Hi guys, gals, and old friends - yes, it has been a looong time since I checked in with you lovely people. I was staring closely at my Very Little Helps today and knowing a little about screen printing (very little mind you, but enough to be curious and ask this question...), and I find it hard to understand how it can be 100% screen printed without any hand finishing. The details are soooo fine that I canโt help but think there is spray there. I luckily have a handful of other Banksy artworks and this particular print makes me question this. Like similar to Radar Rat in my mind. Have any of you thought this yourselves? Does anyone here know for sure? Iโd really appreciate your POV and discussion on this topic. Is there hand spray on Very Little Helps or is it just an amazingly fine screen, expertly pulled? Yes, I know there have been suppositions on other prints, some of which I own myself, and Iโve never joined in the debate. (Some of those discussions have become classic threads and full of comedy.) Iโve never felt strongly about those artwork/questions personally. But now Very Little Helps is making me think there is more than screen printing going on. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Hi guys, gals, and old friends - yes, it has been a looong time since I checked in with you lovely people. I was staring closely at my Very Little Helps today and knowing a little about screen printing (very little mind you, but enough to be curious and ask this question...), and I find it hard to understand how it can be 100% screen printed without any hand finishing. The details are soooo fine that I canโt help but think there is spray there. I luckily have a handful of other Banksy artworks and this particular print makes me question this. Like similar to Radar Rat in my mind. Have any of you thought this yourselves? Does anyone here know for sure? Iโd really appreciate your POV and discussion on this topic. Is there hand spray on Very Little Helps or is it just an amazingly fine screen, expertly pulled? Yes, I know there have been suppositions on other prints, some of which I own myself, and Iโve never joined in the debate. (Some of those discussions have become classic threads and full of comedy.) Iโve never felt strongly about those artwork/questions personally. But now Very Little Helps is making me think there is more than screen printing going on. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by dkla on Feb 17, 2018 7:22:42 GMT 1, Hi guys, gals, and old friends - yes, it has been a looong time since I checked in with you lovely people. I was staring closely at my Very Little Helps today and knowing a little about screen printing (very little mind you, but enough to be curious and ask this question...), and I find it hard to understand how it can be 100% screen printed without any hand finishing. The details are soooo fine that I canโt help but think there is spray there. I luckily have a handful of other Banksy artworks and this particular print makes me question this. Like similar to Radar Rat in my mind. Have any of you thought this yourselves? Does anyone here know for sure? Iโd really appreciate your POV and discussion on this topic. Is there hand spray on Very Little Helps or is it just an amazingly fine screen, expertly pulled? Yes, I know there have been suppositions on other prints, some of which I own myself, and Iโve never joined in the debate. (Some of those discussions have become classic threads and full of comedy.) Iโve never felt strongly about those artwork/questions personally. But now Very Little Helps is making me think there is more than screen printing going on. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Hi guys, gals, and old friends - yes, it has been a looong time since I checked in with you lovely people. I was staring closely at my Very Little Helps today and knowing a little about screen printing (very little mind you, but enough to be curious and ask this question...), and I find it hard to understand how it can be 100% screen printed without any hand finishing. The details are soooo fine that I canโt help but think there is spray there. I luckily have a handful of other Banksy artworks and this particular print makes me question this. Like similar to Radar Rat in my mind. Have any of you thought this yourselves? Does anyone here know for sure? Iโd really appreciate your POV and discussion on this topic. Is there hand spray on Very Little Helps or is it just an amazingly fine screen, expertly pulled? Yes, I know there have been suppositions on other prints, some of which I own myself, and Iโve never joined in the debate. (Some of those discussions have become classic threads and full of comedy.) Iโve never felt strongly about those artwork/questions personally. But now Very Little Helps is making me think there is more than screen printing going on. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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dkla
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by dkla on Feb 17, 2018 7:32:13 GMT 1, BTW - Iโd like to add a quick story to illustrate how great this special forum used to be - and hopefully still is (I think so, all things considered)? I live in the US and VLH was only attainable through a lottery in Britain. I asked a really cool and honest forum member if heโd buy a few lottery tix for me if I wired him some money. Well he did, he entered my name on those few tix, and I was supremely lucky enough to win a VLH. POW congratulated me as a winner, sent me a print and a COA and were happy for me to win from the US via a local friend. It was all good, all around. Especially for me because itโs on the wall of my living room since and I look at it every day. But today I put my nose in there and saw the immense detail and thus my question. Maybe Iโm crazy but there is sooo much detail in that print.
BTW - Iโd like to add a quick story to illustrate how great this special forum used to be - and hopefully still is (I think so, all things considered)? I live in the US and VLH was only attainable through a lottery in Britain. I asked a really cool and honest forum member if heโd buy a few lottery tix for me if I wired him some money. Well he did, he entered my name on those few tix, and I was supremely lucky enough to win a VLH. POW congratulated me as a winner, sent me a print and a COA and were happy for me to win from the US via a local friend. It was all good, all around. Especially for me because itโs on the wall of my living room since and I look at it every day. But today I put my nose in there and saw the immense detail and thus my question. Maybe Iโm crazy but there is sooo much detail in that print.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Fะฏ on Feb 17, 2018 9:26:29 GMT 1, stencilled straight onto the screen, its not hand finished.
stencilled straight onto the screen, its not hand finished.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by iamzero on Feb 17, 2018 9:27:49 GMT 1, Shhhhh. The secret of the over spray technique.
Shhhhh. The secret of the over spray technique.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by RoboJ on Feb 17, 2018 9:56:40 GMT 1, stencilled straight onto the screen, its not hand finished.
Is that direct onto the silk screen? For my LTF I sprayed direct onto the clear screen for burning the image but didnโt know you could spray onto the silk screen?
stencilled straight onto the screen, its not hand finished. Is that direct onto the silk screen? For my LTF I sprayed direct onto the clear screen for burning the image but didnโt know you could spray onto the silk screen?
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Fake on Feb 17, 2018 10:58:35 GMT 1, I think they are talking about spraying directly on to the film?
I think they are talking about spraying directly on to the film?
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:39:25 GMT 1, You might enjoy these pics so.ย This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine ย x
The release version isnโt A2 they are really small no?
You might enjoy these pics so.ย This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine ย x The release version isnโt A2 they are really small no?
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by telecine on Feb 17, 2018 19:21:44 GMT 1, You might enjoy these pics so.ย This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine ย x The release version isnโt A2 they are really small no?
The original pull is the classic 560 x760
The release one was 500 x 380.
Approx half the size ...
Youโre splitting hairs a bit, butIโll remember to use precise measurements next time ;-)
You might enjoy these pics so.ย This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine ย x The release version isnโt A2 they are really small no? The original pull is the classic 560 x760 The release one was 500 x 380. Approx half the size ... Youโre splitting hairs a bit, butIโll remember to use precise measurements next time ;-)
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:45:30 GMT 1, The release version isnโt A2 they are really small no? The original pull is the classic 560 x760 The release one was 500 x 380. Approx half the size ... Youโre splitting hairs a bit, butIโll remember to use precise measurements next time ;-)
A2 is huge . This print is 54x37cm, give or take a cm . a lot smaller than the 70x50cm size pow used for quite a few banksy prints and a much much smaller than flying copper and the larger prints.
I saw the print recently at Hang up next to lots of other banksys and it was by far the smallest.
The legend doesnโt spilt hairs, he delivers sexy facts.
The release version isnโt A2 they are really small no? The original pull is the classic 560 x760 The release one was 500 x 380. Approx half the size ... Youโre splitting hairs a bit, butIโll remember to use precise measurements next time ;-) A2 is huge . This print is 54x37cm, give or take a cm . a lot smaller than the 70x50cm size pow used for quite a few banksy prints and a much much smaller than flying copper and the larger prints. I saw the print recently at Hang up next to lots of other banksys and it was by far the smallest. The legend doesnโt spilt hairs, he delivers sexy facts.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Poster Bob on Feb 17, 2018 20:03:23 GMT 1, They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later.
They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:13:35 GMT 1, They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later.
One of my favourite prints without doubt. At ยฃ25000 + in galleries they arenโt exactly cheap!
They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later. One of my favourite prints without doubt. At ยฃ25000 + in galleries they arenโt exactly cheap!
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by telecine on Feb 17, 2018 20:24:34 GMT 1, They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later. One of my favourite prints without doubt. At ยฃ25000 + in galleries they arenโt exactly cheap!
Itโs a beautiful print and the decision to print so small was genius.
The 56 x 76 version I have with less spray doesnโt work as well !
They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later. One of my favourite prints without doubt. At ยฃ25000 + in galleries they arenโt exactly cheap! Itโs a beautiful print and the decision to print so small was genius. The 56 x 76 version I have with less spray doesnโt work as well !
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Poster Bob on Feb 17, 2018 20:33:16 GMT 1, Cheapest I've seen is ยฃ26.5k from Prescription. Hang-Up have one too but I think they want ยฃ30k.
They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later. One of my favourite prints without doubt. At ยฃ25000 + in galleries they arenโt exactly cheap!
Cheapest I've seen is ยฃ26.5k from Prescription. Hang-Up have one too but I think they want ยฃ30k. They're small but bigger than all of the 50x30 prints and a signed only edition of 299. It'll have its day sooner or later. One of my favourite prints without doubt. At ยฃ25000 + in galleries they arenโt exactly cheap!
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dkla
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by dkla on Feb 17, 2018 21:50:30 GMT 1, Interesting stuff, thank you for answering my question
Interesting stuff, thank you for answering my question
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by telecine on Feb 17, 2018 22:57:02 GMT 1, Interesting stuff, thank you for answering my question
Nice to have a discussion that didnโt get hijacked by people looking for a row
Interesting stuff, thank you for answering my question Nice to have a discussion that didnโt get hijacked by people looking for a row
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:15:07 GMT 1, Its certainly one of the most beautiful prints, surprises alot by its size, the oversprays gorgeous.
Its certainly one of the most beautiful prints, surprises alot by its size, the oversprays gorgeous.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by robo on Feb 18, 2018 0:03:59 GMT 1, Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account).
Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account).
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Laugh Now 10 on Feb 18, 2018 0:26:34 GMT 1, Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account).
Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the VLH
Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account). Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the VLH
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:30:57 GMT 1, Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account). Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps
10-12, 15 would be stretching, theres a few SSs to be bought at 36/37 although there are ones advertised at 40000.
Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account). Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps 10-12, 15 would be stretching, theres a few SSs to be bought at 36/37 although there are ones advertised at 40000.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 1:14:07 GMT 1, Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps 10-12, 15 would be stretching, theres a few SSs to be bought at 36/37 although there are ones advertised at 40000.
There is of course a possibility they're the same ones, another finger in the pie, fairly common in this market.
Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps 10-12, 15 would be stretching, theres a few SSs to be bought at 36/37 although there are ones advertised at 40000. There is of course a possibility they're the same ones, another finger in the pie, fairly common in this market.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Feb 18, 2018 2:46:09 GMT 1, Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps 10-12, 15 would be stretching, theres a few SSs to be bought at 36/37 although there are ones advertised at 40000.
Wow 40k!! I Remember a sales thread on here, an artist (I can't remember who?) reluctantly selling one for 3.5k a few years back to pay the bills
Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps 10-12, 15 would be stretching, theres a few SSs to be bought at 36/37 although there are ones advertised at 40000. Wow 40k!! I Remember a sales thread on here, an artist (I can't remember who?) reluctantly selling one for 3.5k a few years back to pay the bills
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by robo on Feb 18, 2018 18:33:20 GMT 1, Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account). Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps
Thanks for all the feedback on value. I had no idea! Out of interest why do people think that VLH is worth less? The edition size? The print size? Or just the image?
Lovely print indeed! Would anyone be interested in swapping their Very Little Helps for my Stop & Search? I fancy a change. (I should mention that I don't know what the relative market values are - could take that into account). Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps Thanks for all the feedback on value. I had no idea! Out of interest why do people think that VLH is worth less? The edition size? The print size? Or just the image?
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:40:36 GMT 1, Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps Thanks for all the feedback on value. I had no idea! Out of interest why do people think that Very Little Helps is worth less? The edition size? The print size? Or just the image?
Desirability, also VLH doesnt resonate to a global audience the same as SS given the tesco angle. The underlying message does though.
Your S&S is worth approx ยฃ10K-ยฃ15K more than the Very Little Helps Thanks for all the feedback on value. I had no idea! Out of interest why do people think that Very Little Helps is worth less? The edition size? The print size? Or just the image? Desirability, also VLH doesnt resonate to a global audience the same as SS given the tesco angle. The underlying message does though.
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by robo on Feb 18, 2018 22:03:25 GMT 1, Ah yes that makes sense. He should do a Wallmart edition...
Ah yes that makes sense. He should do a Wallmart edition...
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by hupster on Feb 19, 2018 21:35:13 GMT 1, You might enjoy these pics so. This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine x What would be the price on one of these......
You might enjoy these pics so. This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine x What would be the price on one of these......
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by hnkpnk on Feb 19, 2018 22:21:39 GMT 1, You might enjoy these pics so. This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine x Do you mean that you have a printed XL version of Very Little Helps? Can you tell us more about this if I haven't misunderstood? Price, edition, back story etc?
You might enjoy these pics so. This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine x Do you mean that you have a printed XL version of Very Little Helps? Can you tell us more about this if I haven't misunderstood? Price, edition, back story etc?
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by telecine on Feb 19, 2018 22:27:49 GMT 1, Yes .. the first test runs were 56 x76 Ish.
If you recall, the POW site had this image promoting Very Little Helps , before the final version surfaced
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You might enjoy these pics so.ย This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine ย x Do you mean that you have a printed XL version of Very Little Helps? Can you tell us more about this if I haven't misunderstood? Price, edition, back story etc?
Yes .. the first test runs were 56 x76 Ish. If you recall, the POW site had this image promoting Very Little Helps , before the final version surfaced X You might enjoy these pics so.ย This is the original version, not released , pre extra finishing @ A1 size... too big! The release version in A2 with extra spray is so much better... The final tweaks really changed the print. telecine ย x Do you mean that you have a printed XL version of Very Little Helps? Can you tell us more about this if I haven't misunderstood? Price, edition, back story etc?
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Very Little Helps - Hand Finished?, by hnkpnk on Feb 19, 2018 22:44:26 GMT 1, Yes .. the first test runs were 56 x76 Ish. If you recall, the POW site had this image promoting Very Little Helps , before the final version surfaced X Do you mean that you have a printed XL version of Very Little Helps? Can you tell us more about this if I haven't misunderstood? Price, edition, back story etc? It rings a very small bell at the back of my mind, but I believe a lot is lost through the years.
Do you know how many were released? Is it a signed & numbered release? Was it released much later (as most of the APs of older prints)? How is it marked / blindstamped? Hope you don't mind all the questions.
Yes .. the first test runs were 56 x76 Ish. If you recall, the POW site had this image promoting Very Little Helps , before the final version surfaced X Do you mean that you have a printed XL version of Very Little Helps? Can you tell us more about this if I haven't misunderstood? Price, edition, back story etc? It rings a very small bell at the back of my mind, but I believe a lot is lost through the years. Do you know how many were released? Is it a signed & numbered release? Was it released much later (as most of the APs of older prints)? How is it marked / blindstamped? Hope you don't mind all the questions.
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