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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 17, 2017 23:34:10 GMT 1, It is blatantly disengenous to criticise someone for raising money or awareness for one cause just because there are other more worthy causes. Recently a forum member put in which effort to raise just under ยฃ16k for the people of napal. Would you criticise him on the basis that he should have been raising money for something or someone else? Of course not. Are your comments more directed at simply criticising supporting Palestine? Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor.
You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes.
Now you are questioning "who is right".
It is blatantly disengenous to criticise someone for raising money or awareness for one cause just because there are other more worthy causes. Recently a forum member put in which effort to raise just under ยฃ16k for the people of napal. Would you criticise him on the basis that he should have been raising money for something or someone else? Of course not. Are your comments more directed at simply criticising supporting Palestine? Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right". |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:35:25 GMT 1, Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. That person was neither wealthy nor from napal. You miss my point.
Doesn't matter where they are from. Philanthropy is not art. This person does not make a living off of sellin art to help Nepal I would think. Banksy does make money off selling art and this an art installation in the West Bank is nothink like donating to charity. So why not go do an art install in sat somalia? And criticize one side there? Or coastal Kenya?
Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. That person was neither wealthy nor from napal. You miss my point. Doesn't matter where they are from. Philanthropy is not art. This person does not make a living off of sellin art to help Nepal I would think. Banksy does make money off selling art and this an art installation in the West Bank is nothink like donating to charity. So why not go do an art install in sat somalia? And criticize one side there? Or coastal Kenya? |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 17, 2017 23:35:33 GMT 1, Can I ask what country you are from? I am interested because of your comment about London. It's not something I recognise. Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion.
Not a very funny one.
Can I ask what country you are from? I am interested because of your comment about London. It's not something I recognise. Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion. Not a very funny one. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:36:48 GMT 1, Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right".
Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans
Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right". Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 17, 2017 23:43:32 GMT 1, Free Palestine!
Free Palestine!
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:49:59 GMT 1,
All for it. But that's not the question in my post so this is trolling. I do t want peoples split opinions on Israel Palestine. I want an assessment as to why this trumps all other causes when it's least clear.
Other than it being super safe for the artists to work there and tons of dough in the pr campaign of it from oil cash
All for it. But that's not the question in my post so this is trolling. I do t want peoples split opinions on Israel Palestine. I want an assessment as to why this trumps all other causes when it's least clear. Other than it being super safe for the artists to work there and tons of dough in the pr campaign of it from oil cash |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Happy Shopper on Mar 17, 2017 23:55:33 GMT 1, Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans
Perhaps artists feel the need to comment on political issues, especially where there's an underdog being repressed.
Where there's a natural disaster or an obvious enemy then art isn't really required to bring awareness.
Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans Perhaps artists feel the need to comment on political issues, especially where there's an underdog being repressed. Where there's a natural disaster or an obvious enemy then art isn't really required to bring awareness. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 17, 2017 23:56:05 GMT 1, All for it. But that's not the question in my post so this is trolling. I do t want peoples split opinions on Israel Palestine. I want an assessment as to why this trumps all other causes when it's least clear. Other than it being super safe for the artists to work there and tons of dough in the pr campaign of it from oil cash
Fantastic. Second time I've been accused of being a troll in the time I've been here. You do realise that bandying that word about so easily rather devalues it?
All for it. But that's not the question in my post so this is trolling. I do t want peoples split opinions on Israel Palestine. I want an assessment as to why this trumps all other causes when it's least clear. Other than it being super safe for the artists to work there and tons of dough in the pr campaign of it from oil cash Fantastic. Second time I've been accused of being a troll in the time I've been here. You do realise that bandying that word about so easily rather devalues it? |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by nex on Mar 18, 2017 0:11:45 GMT 1, You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right". Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans
Artists comment on many many many different situations.
Banksy has discussed Africa on numerous occasions.
Why does he do more with this? Perhaps he has more affinity with it?
How you can call this low hanging fruit as if the worlds eyes are constantly on it, is laughable.
You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right". Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans Artists comment on many many many different situations. Banksy has discussed Africa on numerous occasions. Why does he do more with this? Perhaps he has more affinity with it? How you can call this low hanging fruit as if the worlds eyes are constantly on it, is laughable. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 0:12:00 GMT 1,
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 0:21:37 GMT 1, Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion. Not a very funny one.
list25.com/the-25-most-dangerous-cities-on-earth/
London made top 25, and worse than Lagos Nigeria. I'm not off base.
Everyone I know in london has been robbed or assaulted. Seems like common knowledge.
Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion. Not a very funny one. London made top 25, and worse than Lagos Nigeria. I'm not off base. Everyone I know in london has been robbed or assaulted. Seems like common knowledge. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 0:31:07 GMT 1, I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work.
No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying.
Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions.
I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work.
No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying.
Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 0:32:34 GMT 1,
Nice! London made it for its digital safety. Dope
Nice! London made it for its digital safety. Dope |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 0:51:56 GMT 1, Many people wonder how many of these other conflicts in the middle east and Africa would have happened if the zionist lobby did not exist or how many of these global events are in some way linked to protecting Israels (zionists) interests.
Operation Cast Lead was sickening to know it was happening and the US and Obama and others did nothing. Using white phosphorous in heavily populated areas and knowing children would be slaughtered. I'm not surprised Palestinians find it hard to want to trust a regime who slaughtered their children. I know others will say it was all hamas fault etc etc but the Palestinians are living in a controlled ghetto and in other conflicts civilians are allowed to leave the area to a place of safety. Where could the Palestinians flee to to avoid the white phosphorous and bombs? The military might of Israel against Hamas foot soldiers and home made rockets in a ghetto called Palestine.
Palestine is a small country and so is Israel and what happens in that part of the world affects neighbouring country's stability one way or another.
Did Blair Bush attack Iraq to punish Saddam for invading Kuwait, even though Madeleine Albright gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait, or was Iraq invaded for Israel and other countries interests?
It's a tricky one whether an artist makes art about opression as to being seen a sprmoting themselves through the issue or genuinely doing it to raise awareness and make a protest.
Comparing people killed in Africa through internal conflicts despot dictators as in numbers killed. Africa is far larger in population that Palestine. There are atrocities comitted and saudi bombing Yemen etc.
A lot comes down to the western media as to which conflicts it decides to publicise but for me Palestine and the way the Palestinians are treated has gone on for too long and ignored by too many so called democratic countries.
Many people wonder how many of these other conflicts in the middle east and Africa would have happened if the zionist lobby did not exist or how many of these global events are in some way linked to protecting Israels (zionists) interests. Operation Cast Lead was sickening to know it was happening and the US and Obama and others did nothing. Using white phosphorous in heavily populated areas and knowing children would be slaughtered. I'm not surprised Palestinians find it hard to want to trust a regime who slaughtered their children. I know others will say it was all hamas fault etc etc but the Palestinians are living in a controlled ghetto and in other conflicts civilians are allowed to leave the area to a place of safety. Where could the Palestinians flee to to avoid the white phosphorous and bombs? The military might of Israel against Hamas foot soldiers and home made rockets in a ghetto called Palestine. Palestine is a small country and so is Israel and what happens in that part of the world affects neighbouring country's stability one way or another. Did Blair Bush attack Iraq to punish Saddam for invading Kuwait, even though Madeleine Albright gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait, or was Iraq invaded for Israel and other countries interests? It's a tricky one whether an artist makes art about opression as to being seen a sprmoting themselves through the issue or genuinely doing it to raise awareness and make a protest. Comparing people killed in Africa through internal conflicts despot dictators as in numbers killed. Africa is far larger in population that Palestine. There are atrocities comitted and saudi bombing Yemen etc. A lot comes down to the western media as to which conflicts it decides to publicise but for me Palestine and the way the Palestinians are treated has gone on for too long and ignored by too many so called democratic countries. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 0:53:20 GMT 1, I doubt London is worse than Paris.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by nobokov on Mar 18, 2017 1:00:43 GMT 1, Perhaps its a subject matter that is personal to the artist. There are plenty of atrocities in the world, but does banksy need to pick the most dire situation to bring attention to?
Perhaps its a subject matter that is personal to the artist. There are plenty of atrocities in the world, but does banksy need to pick the most dire situation to bring attention to?
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 18, 2017 1:01:37 GMT 1, I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions.
Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to?
I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions. Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 18, 2017 1:03:39 GMT 1, Perhaps its a subject matter that is personal to the artist. There are plenty of atrocities in the world, but does banksy need to pick the most dire situation to bring attention to?
Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier.
I suspect that the reality is that the OP simply doesn't agree with the Palestinian cause.
Perhaps its a subject matter that is personal to the artist. There are plenty of atrocities in the world, but does banksy need to pick the most dire situation to bring attention to? Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. I suspect that the reality is that the OP simply doesn't agree with the Palestinian cause. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harveyn on Mar 18, 2017 1:21:10 GMT 1, I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions.
You need to want to listen to hear the answers as there have been many.
If you believe there is an injustice to be voiced against then to argue there are greater is irrelevant IMO.
Every little helps!!
I fear you believe there is no injustice when it comes to this particular issue.
I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions. You need to want to listen to hear the answers as there have been many. If you believe there is an injustice to be voiced against then to argue there are greater is irrelevant IMO. Every little helps!! I fear you believe there is no injustice when it comes to this particular issue. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Street Art Fan on Mar 18, 2017 1:25:45 GMT 1, Mira Sucharov's reasons for the media's "obsession" with Israel (Why is the Media Obsessed with Israel?, Haaretz 11/19/14) applies to this discussion I think:
"[...] American taxpayers provide a significant annual sum of money to Israel, via the $3 billion in annual U.S. aid granted to Israel. Itโs natural that the government and the voters in that country at least would disproportionately concern themselves with the region.
Second, the Israel-Palestine core is the heartland of the three main monotheistic religions. The role of the religious imaginary in Western art, literature, film and culture in general is significant. The region, in short, has long captured the imagination of many.
Third, Israel โ unlike Syria โ is a democracy. Citizens of democracies tend to hold other democracies to democratic standards. And that means that violence committed in the name of democratic values โ for better or worse โ sometimes gets more airtime.
Fourth, as others have written before, Israel is seen by many as a colonial transplant. There are very good arguments against a simplistic understanding of Israel as being a colonial project. (There is no core state to which settlers send extracted resources, for example.) But there is no getting around the fact that Israelโs birth was precipitated in part by Europeโs carving up of the region into mandate territories after the First World War. The shred of the colonial shadow succeeds in galvanizing a certain political consciousness that other conflicts, especially civil ones within non-democracies, simply donโt, unfortunately perhaps.
Fifth, once Israel came into existence, it was seen by many as a plucky state surviving against all odds. Itโs a narrative that Israel and the engines of Diaspora Jewry have themselves succeeded in promoting. That the world continues its fascination with Arab-Israeli geopolitics, played out now partly through the Palestinians, is therefore not surprising.
Sixth, Jews tend to punch above their collective weight in many aspects of popular culture: entertainment, the arts, literature, and so on. That the Jewish State and its goings-on figure so prominently in the media can be seen as a benign extension of this. Add to this the fact that some of the players in the contemporary Israeli-Palestinian saga also hold American citizenship (three of the victims of the Har Nof synagogue attack held dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship, while the fourth was British-Israeli) and the effect is magnified.
Finally, as for Friedmanโs comparison between the disproportionate attention given to death and destruction in Israel compared to, say, in Portland, one could say that political violence naturally garners more international concern โ again, sadly for those who are ignoredโ than death caused by such typical urban ills as poverty, petty crime, drugs, or traffic accidents."
Mira Sucharov's reasons for the media's "obsession" with Israel ( Why is the Media Obsessed with Israel?, Haaretz 11/19/14) applies to this discussion I think: "[...] American taxpayers provide a significant annual sum of money to Israel, via the $3 billion in annual U.S. aid granted to Israel. Itโs natural that the government and the voters in that country at least would disproportionately concern themselves with the region.
Second, the Israel-Palestine core is the heartland of the three main monotheistic religions. The role of the religious imaginary in Western art, literature, film and culture in general is significant. The region, in short, has long captured the imagination of many.
Third, Israel โ unlike Syria โ is a democracy. Citizens of democracies tend to hold other democracies to democratic standards. And that means that violence committed in the name of democratic values โ for better or worse โ sometimes gets more airtime.
Fourth, as others have written before, Israel is seen by many as a colonial transplant. There are very good arguments against a simplistic understanding of Israel as being a colonial project. (There is no core state to which settlers send extracted resources, for example.) But there is no getting around the fact that Israelโs birth was precipitated in part by Europeโs carving up of the region into mandate territories after the First World War. The shred of the colonial shadow succeeds in galvanizing a certain political consciousness that other conflicts, especially civil ones within non-democracies, simply donโt, unfortunately perhaps.
Fifth, once Israel came into existence, it was seen by many as a plucky state surviving against all odds. Itโs a narrative that Israel and the engines of Diaspora Jewry have themselves succeeded in promoting. That the world continues its fascination with Arab-Israeli geopolitics, played out now partly through the Palestinians, is therefore not surprising.
Sixth, Jews tend to punch above their collective weight in many aspects of popular culture: entertainment, the arts, literature, and so on. That the Jewish State and its goings-on figure so prominently in the media can be seen as a benign extension of this. Add to this the fact that some of the players in the contemporary Israeli-Palestinian saga also hold American citizenship (three of the victims of the Har Nof synagogue attack held dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship, while the fourth was British-Israeli) and the effect is magnified.
Finally, as for Friedmanโs comparison between the disproportionate attention given to death and destruction in Israel compared to, say, in Portland, one could say that political violence naturally garners more international concern โ again, sadly for those who are ignoredโ than death caused by such typical urban ills as poverty, petty crime, drugs, or traffic accidents." |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 1:48:51 GMT 1, I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions. Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to?
A- I am not an artist
B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot.
C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that.
FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America.
You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs.
I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions. Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that. FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America. You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 18, 2017 2:04:03 GMT 1, Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that. FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America. You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs.
You are on your own. There is no prospect of having a reasonable discussion with you. Go and find someone else to spout your hate to. I have no interest in talking to you anymore. We will never agree.
Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that. FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America. You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs. You are on your own. There is no prospect of having a reasonable discussion with you. Go and find someone else to spout your hate to. I have no interest in talking to you anymore. We will never agree. |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:08:04 GMT 1, Mira Sucharov's reasons for the media's "obsession" with Israel ( Why is the Media Obsessed with Israel?, Haaretz 11/19/14) applies to this discussion I think: "[...] American taxpayers provide a significant annual sum of money to Israel, via the $3 billion in annual U.S. aid granted to Israel. Itโs natural that the government and the voters in that country at least would disproportionately concern themselves with the region.
Second, the Israel-Palestine core is the heartland of the three main monotheistic religions. The role of the religious imaginary in Western art, literature, film and culture in general is significant. The region, in short, has long captured the imagination of many.
Third, Israel โ unlike Syria โ is a democracy. Citizens of democracies tend to hold other democracies to democratic standards. And that means that violence committed in the name of democratic values โ for better or worse โ sometimes gets more airtime.
Fourth, as others have written before, Israel is seen by many as a colonial transplant. There are very good arguments against a simplistic understanding of Israel as being a colonial project. (There is no core state to which settlers send extracted resources, for example.) But there is no getting around the fact that Israelโs birth was precipitated in part by Europeโs carving up of the region into mandate territories after the First World War. The shred of the colonial shadow succeeds in galvanizing a certain political consciousness that other conflicts, especially civil ones within non-democracies, simply donโt, unfortunately perhaps.
Fifth, once Israel came into existence, it was seen by many as a plucky state surviving against all odds. Itโs a narrative that Israel and the engines of Diaspora Jewry have themselves succeeded in promoting. That the world continues its fascination with Arab-Israeli geopolitics, played out now partly through the Palestinians, is therefore not surprising.
Sixth, Jews tend to punch above their collective weight in many aspects of popular culture: entertainment, the arts, literature, and so on. That the Jewish State and its goings-on figure so prominently in the media can be seen as a benign extension of this. Add to this the fact that some of the players in the contemporary Israeli-Palestinian saga also hold American citizenship (three of the victims of the Har Nof synagogue attack held dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship, while the fourth was British-Israeli) and the effect is magnified.
Finally, as for Friedmanโs comparison between the disproportionate attention given to death and destruction in Israel compared to, say, in Portland, one could say that political violence naturally garners more international concern โ again, sadly for those who are ignoredโ than death caused by such typical urban ills as poverty, petty crime, drugs, or traffic accidents."
I disagree with this though. "Sixth, Jews tend to punch above their collective weight in many aspects of popular culture: entertainment, the arts, literature, and so on."
I agree Jews seem to be over represented in some places like the BBC for example compared to percentage of population (and I doubt it's cos they are the most talented.) Which is public funded.
Hollywood is a private enterprise not tax payer funded and as far as i'm concerned they can give the best parts to anyone they choose. The arts and the major art world galleries and players and artists like Rothko and Chagall and Cindy Sherman nothing special in reality. Robert Hughes mentioned Rothko in one of his Shock of the New documentaries. There is a lot of talent out there from acting to art to music to writing. In some areas not enough diversity.
Mira Sucharov's reasons for the media's "obsession" with Israel ( Why is the Media Obsessed with Israel?, Haaretz 11/19/14) applies to this discussion I think: "[...] American taxpayers provide a significant annual sum of money to Israel, via the $3 billion in annual U.S. aid granted to Israel. Itโs natural that the government and the voters in that country at least would disproportionately concern themselves with the region.
Second, the Israel-Palestine core is the heartland of the three main monotheistic religions. The role of the religious imaginary in Western art, literature, film and culture in general is significant. The region, in short, has long captured the imagination of many.
Third, Israel โ unlike Syria โ is a democracy. Citizens of democracies tend to hold other democracies to democratic standards. And that means that violence committed in the name of democratic values โ for better or worse โ sometimes gets more airtime.
Fourth, as others have written before, Israel is seen by many as a colonial transplant. There are very good arguments against a simplistic understanding of Israel as being a colonial project. (There is no core state to which settlers send extracted resources, for example.) But there is no getting around the fact that Israelโs birth was precipitated in part by Europeโs carving up of the region into mandate territories after the First World War. The shred of the colonial shadow succeeds in galvanizing a certain political consciousness that other conflicts, especially civil ones within non-democracies, simply donโt, unfortunately perhaps.
Fifth, once Israel came into existence, it was seen by many as a plucky state surviving against all odds. Itโs a narrative that Israel and the engines of Diaspora Jewry have themselves succeeded in promoting. That the world continues its fascination with Arab-Israeli geopolitics, played out now partly through the Palestinians, is therefore not surprising.
Sixth, Jews tend to punch above their collective weight in many aspects of popular culture: entertainment, the arts, literature, and so on. That the Jewish State and its goings-on figure so prominently in the media can be seen as a benign extension of this. Add to this the fact that some of the players in the contemporary Israeli-Palestinian saga also hold American citizenship (three of the victims of the Har Nof synagogue attack held dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship, while the fourth was British-Israeli) and the effect is magnified.
Finally, as for Friedmanโs comparison between the disproportionate attention given to death and destruction in Israel compared to, say, in Portland, one could say that political violence naturally garners more international concern โ again, sadly for those who are ignoredโ than death caused by such typical urban ills as poverty, petty crime, drugs, or traffic accidents."It's a good article. I disagree with this though. "Sixth, Jews tend to punch above their collective weight in many aspects of popular culture: entertainment, the arts, literature, and so on."
I agree Jews seem to be over represented in some places like the BBC for example compared to percentage of population (and I doubt it's cos they are the most talented.) Which is public funded.
Hollywood is a private enterprise not tax payer funded and as far as i'm concerned they can give the best parts to anyone they choose. The arts and the major art world galleries and players and artists like Rothko and Chagall and Cindy Sherman nothing special in reality. Robert Hughes mentioned Rothko in one of his Shock of the New documentaries. There is a lot of talent out there from acting to art to music to writing. In some areas not enough diversity.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Coach on Mar 18, 2017 2:10:13 GMT 1, Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form.
Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 2:14:33 GMT 1, Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form.
Im still hoping 1 person can answer my very honest question that is being avoided like the plague
Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form. Im still hoping 1 person can answer my very honest question that is being avoided like the plague |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:19:15 GMT 1, Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that. FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America. You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs.
I can't criticise the artists who went out to paint on walls in Dubai in return for a big fat cheque. It's their choice they were promoting the friendly pro western side of Dubai knowingly or not.
It's not a place I would even think of setting foot in.
www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11936981/Who-in-their-right-mind-would-want-to-visit-Dubai.html
Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that. FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America. You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs. I can't criticise the artists who went out to paint on walls in Dubai in return for a big fat cheque. It's their choice they were promoting the friendly pro western side of Dubai knowingly or not. It's not a place I would even think of setting foot in. www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11936981/Who-in-their-right-mind-would-want-to-visit-Dubai.html |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by nobokov on Mar 18, 2017 2:40:46 GMT 1, Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form. Im still hoping 1 person can answer my very honest question that is being avoided like the plague
Your question assumes that 9 out of 10 times artists choose to create art about this subject. But is that true? Can you cite more examples of artists and pieces discussing this issue?
And Im not sure if Eine's P for palestine counts...
Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form. Im still hoping 1 person can answer my very honest question that is being avoided like the plague Your question assumes that 9 out of 10 times artists choose to create art about this subject. But is that true? Can you cite more examples of artists and pieces discussing this issue? And Im not sure if Eine's P for palestine counts... |
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 3:35:06 GMT 1, wrong forum mate. The majority here is leftist tree huggers that would invite terrorists into their homes if it would make them seen as less 'racist/facits/nazis (or whatever bogus words these people use) by their threehugger peers.
So yay palestine! Lets all forget that Israรซl would happily entertain the idea of two states while palestine sees this as a holy war (as most muslims do) and won't rest until all jews are dead.
wrong forum mate. The majority here is leftist tree huggers that would invite terrorists into their homes if it would make them seen as less 'racist/facits/nazis (or whatever bogus words these people use) by their threehugger peers.
So yay palestine! Lets all forget that Israรซl would happily entertain the idea of two states while palestine sees this as a holy war (as most muslims do) and won't rest until all jews are dead.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by .dappy on Mar 18, 2017 7:49:12 GMT 1,
... oh look! ... I have found an article where London is the 18th most safest city in the world & 12th most safest city in terms of personal safety ... common knowledge indeed ... winning!
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/galleries/The-worlds-safest-cities/safest11/
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by barryh on Mar 18, 2017 9:13:17 GMT 1, Classy thread, reminds me of that time of year when you do try donate to african charitys (remember red nose day ?.. that annual charity event where lots of money is raised for africa) and your associates complain about the homeless at home being more needy, yet on a normal day would walk right passed them without even offering a brew.
Classy thread, reminds me of that time of year when you do try donate to african charitys (remember red nose day ?.. that annual charity event where lots of money is raised for africa) and your associates complain about the homeless at home being more needy, yet on a normal day would walk right passed them without even offering a brew.
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