soupy
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by soupy on Sept 22, 2017 1:16:15 GMT 1, yeah. the description was vague although they did attempt to provide more detail in the second round. my best guess at this point is that there is a print edition and a poster edition. the poster edition seems to be what they are selling now. unsigned print would be great and i would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. don't really want to spend that much coin on a poster. gets confusing with identical edition sizes, #signed, #unsigned, etc.
yeah. the description was vague although they did attempt to provide more detail in the second round. my best guess at this point is that there is a print edition and a poster edition. the poster edition seems to be what they are selling now. unsigned print would be great and i would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. don't really want to spend that much coin on a poster. gets confusing with identical edition sizes, #signed, #unsigned, etc.
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Dust Buster
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Dust Buster on Sept 22, 2017 1:47:49 GMT 1, Missed these but love the concept behind these โdropsโ. Keep them coming! How much were they?
Missed these but love the concept behind these โdropsโ. Keep them coming! How much were they?
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Howard Johnson
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Sept 22, 2017 2:47:54 GMT 1, Yeah I feel everyone's pain. Super confusing edition. Here's my two cents: the alinari description is identical to the image duplicator listing in every regard except screenprint/collitype(whatever). Gallery's and auction houses list it as a screen print. Weird. But, as much as I adore the Lichtenstein foundation for setting up ID as a free catalog, it doesn't come close to accurately documenting the sh*tons of poster editions he produced. Also there are a ton of unknowns throughout (i.e. "May have been produced as a mailer" for some castelli editions). Thus, my intuition is that it was miscatigoized as a screen print, and professionals looking to sell it refer back to the ID listing. I could be totally wrong, but this seems like the most logical explanation.
These are not typical posters in terms of quality. Very high quality paper stock, really great printing, and shipped flat and expertly packed (mine did get some edge dings which sucks). The age is clear as well. They are similar in texture/appearance with his romance comic editions. Hope this helps!
Yeah I feel everyone's pain. Super confusing edition. Here's my two cents: the alinari description is identical to the image duplicator listing in every regard except screenprint/collitype(whatever). Gallery's and auction houses list it as a screen print. Weird. But, as much as I adore the Lichtenstein foundation for setting up ID as a free catalog, it doesn't come close to accurately documenting the sh*tons of poster editions he produced. Also there are a ton of unknowns throughout (i.e. "May have been produced as a mailer" for some castelli editions). Thus, my intuition is that it was miscatigoized as a screen print, and professionals looking to sell it refer back to the ID listing. I could be totally wrong, but this seems like the most logical explanation.
These are not typical posters in terms of quality. Very high quality paper stock, really great printing, and shipped flat and expertly packed (mine did get some edge dings which sucks). The age is clear as well. They are similar in texture/appearance with his romance comic editions. Hope this helps!
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Poly Mindset
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Poly Mindset on Sept 22, 2017 3:35:44 GMT 1, Yeah I feel everyone's pain. Super confusing edition. Here's my two cents: the alinari description is identical to the image duplicator listing in every regard except screenprint/collitype(whatever). Gallery's and auction houses list it as a screen print. Weird. But, as much as I adore the Lichtenstein foundation for setting up ID as a free catalog, it doesn't come close to accurately documenting the sh*tons of poster editions he produced. Also there are a ton of unknowns throughout (i.e. "May have been produced as a mailer" for some castelli editions). Thus, my intuition is that it was miscatigoized as a screen print, and professionals looking to sell it refer back to the ID listing. I could be totally wrong, but this seems like the most logical explanation. These are not typical posters in terms of quality. Very high quality paper stock, really great printing, and shipped flat and expertly packed (mine did get some edge dings which sucks). The age is clear as well. They are similar in texture/appearance with his romance comic editions. Hope this helps! A lot of the printing on original Lichtenstein posters was exceptional. The few posters of his Guggenheim show from 1969 that I've sold to a couple of forum members are exceptional prints, with the ink so glossy and thick they resemble a decal on paper more the a print. However, there were a lot of his posters made back in the day but the amount of quality printings that survived in good condition is the difference between a keeper and a throw away. I think these are fabulous posters for their printing quality and of course the artistic merit. Much like the Jasper Johns prints that you clued everyone in on, posters such as these are not only beautiful to have hanging on your walls, the fact is in the long term they will be continuously sought after and will only increase in value. Personally, I love a room with real mid-century modern furniture and some Lichtenstein art on the walls, it oozes class.
Yeah I feel everyone's pain. Super confusing edition. Here's my two cents: the alinari description is identical to the image duplicator listing in every regard except screenprint/collitype(whatever). Gallery's and auction houses list it as a screen print. Weird. But, as much as I adore the Lichtenstein foundation for setting up ID as a free catalog, it doesn't come close to accurately documenting the sh*tons of poster editions he produced. Also there are a ton of unknowns throughout (i.e. "May have been produced as a mailer" for some castelli editions). Thus, my intuition is that it was miscatigoized as a screen print, and professionals looking to sell it refer back to the ID listing. I could be totally wrong, but this seems like the most logical explanation. These are not typical posters in terms of quality. Very high quality paper stock, really great printing, and shipped flat and expertly packed (mine did get some edge dings which sucks). The age is clear as well. They are similar in texture/appearance with his romance comic editions. Hope this helps! A lot of the printing on original Lichtenstein posters was exceptional. The few posters of his Guggenheim show from 1969 that I've sold to a couple of forum members are exceptional prints, with the ink so glossy and thick they resemble a decal on paper more the a print. However, there were a lot of his posters made back in the day but the amount of quality printings that survived in good condition is the difference between a keeper and a throw away. I think these are fabulous posters for their printing quality and of course the artistic merit. Much like the Jasper Johns prints that you clued everyone in on, posters such as these are not only beautiful to have hanging on your walls, the fact is in the long term they will be continuously sought after and will only increase in value. Personally, I love a room with real mid-century modern furniture and some Lichtenstein art on the walls, it oozes class.
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touchdowntodd
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April 2017
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by touchdowntodd on Sept 22, 2017 4:55:08 GMT 1, How tf did i miss this. . Dammit
How tf did i miss this. . Dammit
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viz
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September 2017
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by viz on Sept 22, 2017 7:03:04 GMT 1, In my opinion the confusion is mainly due to the misuse of some words on here. The only inconsistent information (not a secondary one) is the technique used in the production, which is very likely to have been reported wrongly on the site of the Lichtenstein Foundation and so on everywhere. Anyway, I guess they did not spend too much time looking for the most accurate information about a poster...
This is a "poster" because it was thought to advertise something (the Florence exhibition in this case). "Poster" is not a printing technique.
A poster can be "screenprinted", as well a mug, a t-shirt, an original work of art. This one is not.
The signed ones were originally posters, they made them look just like "reproductions" trimming the lettering. In any case the catalogue reports these as posters because that's what they were made for, including the lettering in the images.
This is a "reproduction", which does not mean "second edition", because it reproduces a work of art already existing (the famous 1974 painting).
The edtion of all of these is just the same.
Collotype is not very common because it's an elaborate and old technique used for images (mainly photographic) reproduction. The quality of the image being by far better than that of a screenprint.
Fratelli Alinari is a foundation, a museum, a publisher...and also a printer, they would for no reason spoil their name for a few posters. No source can be more legit than this because they are the original printer and publisher.
In my opinion the confusion is mainly due to the misuse of some words on here. The only inconsistent information (not a secondary one) is the technique used in the production, which is very likely to have been reported wrongly on the site of the Lichtenstein Foundation and so on everywhere. Anyway, I guess they did not spend too much time looking for the most accurate information about a poster...
This is a "poster" because it was thought to advertise something (the Florence exhibition in this case). "Poster" is not a printing technique.
A poster can be "screenprinted", as well a mug, a t-shirt, an original work of art. This one is not.
The signed ones were originally posters, they made them look just like "reproductions" trimming the lettering. In any case the catalogue reports these as posters because that's what they were made for, including the lettering in the images.
This is a "reproduction", which does not mean "second edition", because it reproduces a work of art already existing (the famous 1974 painting).
The edtion of all of these is just the same.
Collotype is not very common because it's an elaborate and old technique used for images (mainly photographic) reproduction. The quality of the image being by far better than that of a screenprint.
Fratelli Alinari is a foundation, a museum, a publisher...and also a printer, they would for no reason spoil their name for a few posters. No source can be more legit than this because they are the original printer and publisher.
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wisky
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September 2014
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by wisky on Sept 22, 2017 8:42:33 GMT 1, .......Absolutely devastated that I did not manage to grab one of these, if anyone has a spare one for sale, please DM me, thanks.
.......Absolutely devastated that I did not manage to grab one of these, if anyone has a spare one for sale, please DM me, thanks.
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gd79
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by gd79 on Sept 22, 2017 10:38:27 GMT 1, I'm not too stressed whether there is a single run of 450, or two different runs. Either way, it's a good example, well printed and will never be worth less than 500 euros. From a run of 450, I doubt many of the unsigned are still around anyway. It's rare to get a chance to buy something produced with the knowledge/ direction of a true heavyweight. The provenance is stronger than any of the prints currently in the market.
On the other hand, these are not worth thousands and thousands of pounds. That's missing the point
I'm not too stressed whether there is a single run of 450, or two different runs. Either way, it's a good example, well printed and will never be worth less than 500 euros. From a run of 450, I doubt many of the unsigned are still around anyway. It's rare to get a chance to buy something produced with the knowledge/ direction of a true heavyweight. The provenance is stronger than any of the prints currently in the market.
On the other hand, these are not worth thousands and thousands of pounds. That's missing the point
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gd79
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by gd79 on Sept 22, 2017 10:49:45 GMT 1, Also a huge hats off for scouring the web to find 'forgotten' runs. There are tons around. I've picked up signed Gilbert and George books for a fiver, limited edition Alex Prager jigsaw puzzles, unique Daisuke Yokota prints all sorts. Gallery online shops are a good place to start. Museums often have limited edition works, sometimes signed, coordinated with their major exhibitions.
For more expensive works, worth looking at Edition Copenhagen (google it). It's a screen print studio that brings in some very high profile names (Gursky, Ofili, Gormley, Nara etc). They are a slightly higher price point, but all below 5k for signed, limited prints by stellar names. I have not pulled the trigger on anything here, I would have done on the Gursky if I had had the chance, but it's an interesting source of works.
I would love to hear more suggestions of decent finds, and well done to CG for getting the ball rolling
Also a huge hats off for scouring the web to find 'forgotten' runs. There are tons around. I've picked up signed Gilbert and George books for a fiver, limited edition Alex Prager jigsaw puzzles, unique Daisuke Yokota prints all sorts. Gallery online shops are a good place to start. Museums often have limited edition works, sometimes signed, coordinated with their major exhibitions.
For more expensive works, worth looking at Edition Copenhagen (google it). It's a screen print studio that brings in some very high profile names (Gursky, Ofili, Gormley, Nara etc). They are a slightly higher price point, but all below 5k for signed, limited prints by stellar names. I have not pulled the trigger on anything here, I would have done on the Gursky if I had had the chance, but it's an interesting source of works.
I would love to hear more suggestions of decent finds, and well done to CG for getting the ball rolling
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Poster Bob
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Poster Bob on Sept 22, 2017 11:03:11 GMT 1, Daddy is tuned in.
Daddy is tuned in.
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cizza19
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by cizza19 on Sept 22, 2017 11:38:42 GMT 1, damn can't believe I missed this, would have loved to have picked one up
oh well hopefully todays drop is an artist I am a fan of
damn can't believe I missed this, would have loved to have picked one up
oh well hopefully todays drop is an artist I am a fan of
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Winks
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Winks on Sept 22, 2017 12:33:53 GMT 1,
Creepy
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Pattycakes
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Pattycakes on Sept 22, 2017 13:03:59 GMT 1, All I can say ladies and gents is I would not be buying these.
All I can say ladies and gents is I would not be buying these.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 22, 2017 13:14:33 GMT 1, These are great for a true collector. Personally for a couple hundred bucks yes it would be a no brainer. Still to much vagueness in what it really is. I can't imagine that it's just a mistake between the printing techniques.
These are great for a true collector. Personally for a couple hundred bucks yes it would be a no brainer. Still to much vagueness in what it really is. I can't imagine that it's just a mistake between the printing techniques.
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soupy
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by soupy on Sept 22, 2017 13:25:57 GMT 1, viz ... thanks for your perpsective. however, not only is the technique a bit vague, the numbering is different. these are numbered in the lower right whereas the signed edition "screen print" that you can find on the web are numbered on the lower left. the paper stock seemed a bit different too (but maybe that was just the pictures). hard to tell.
viz ... thanks for your perpsective. however, not only is the technique a bit vague, the numbering is different. these are numbered in the lower right whereas the signed edition "screen print" that you can find on the web are numbered on the lower left. the paper stock seemed a bit different too (but maybe that was just the pictures). hard to tell.
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viz
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by viz on Sept 22, 2017 14:22:55 GMT 1,
What does not persuade you about them?
viz ... thanks for your perpsective. however, not only is the technique a bit vague, the numbering is different. these are numbered in the lower right whereas the signed edition "screen print" that you can find on the web are numbered on the lower left. the paper stock seemed a bit different too (but maybe that was just the pictures). hard to tell. I do not own a signed one and have not received yet the one I ordered. My understanding comes from the information provided on the websites by Alinari, the Lichtenstein catalogue (+ foundation's website) and what some other users said they were told directly by Alinari.
Everything makes me think they are absolutely legit and I see no reason Alinari should counterfeit them.
Moreover Christoffer said
Finally, as said before, it's a bit strange there are no auctions for the unsigned ones whereas there are several for the signed ones, where all of them? The catalogue says clearly 450 were produced and 150 were signed. This could be explained by the fact most of them remained in Alinari's storage...
The source is the original printer/publisher...what do you need more to say these are the real thing?
The only weird thing, imho, is the numbering...hopefully no one will receive prints numbered between 1 and 150 out of 450... I see Gaddini's one, who was the first to order here, has got a higher number, which seems good to me.
I was just pointing out that does not make sense to say "screenprint vs poster", "reproduction vs second edition" and so on, because those terms refer to different characteristics of the prints...
PS: sorry for the bad quoting, cant really use this thing...
What does not persuade you about them? viz ... thanks for your perpsective. however, not only is the technique a bit vague, the numbering is different. these are numbered in the lower right whereas the signed edition "screen print" that you can find on the web are numbered on the lower left. the paper stock seemed a bit different too (but maybe that was just the pictures). hard to tell. I do not own a signed one and have not received yet the one I ordered. My understanding comes from the information provided on the websites by Alinari, the Lichtenstein catalogue (+ foundation's website) and what some other users said they were told directly by Alinari. Everything makes me think they are absolutely legit and I see no reason Alinari should counterfeit them. Moreover Christoffer said Finally, as said before, it's a bit strange there are no auctions for the unsigned ones whereas there are several for the signed ones, where all of them? The catalogue says clearly 450 were produced and 150 were signed. This could be explained by the fact most of them remained in Alinari's storage... The source is the original printer/publisher...what do you need more to say these are the real thing? The only weird thing, imho, is the numbering...hopefully no one will receive prints numbered between 1 and 150 out of 450... I see Gaddini's one, who was the first to order here, has got a higher number, which seems good to me. I was just pointing out that does not make sense to say "screenprint vs poster", "reproduction vs second edition" and so on, because those terms refer to different characteristics of the prints... PS: sorry for the bad quoting, cant really use this thing...
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soupy
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by soupy on Sept 22, 2017 14:34:26 GMT 1, too many variables. i'm certainly not saying these are counterfeit. i believe they are not. i am trying to understand the edition a bit better.
not only is the location of the numbering different... the edition size is different. images online of the signed edition is numbered out of 150. these are numbered out of 450.
too many variables. i'm certainly not saying these are counterfeit. i believe they are not. i am trying to understand the edition a bit better.
not only is the location of the numbering different... the edition size is different. images online of the signed edition is numbered out of 150. these are numbered out of 450.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 22, 2017 14:39:11 GMT 1, too many variables.ย i'm certainly not saying these are counterfeit.ย i believe they are not.ย i am trying to understand the edition a bit better. not only is the location of the numbering different... the edition size is different.ย images online of the signed edition is numbered out of 150.ย these are numbered out of 450.
I agree. It's all to vague and confusing.
I don't think anyone this they are faking these. I just think the information isn't clear and this could easily be a different edition. Still cool though.
I'd also be interested in know Lichtenstein involvement or awareness besides signing 150 of some type of version.
too many variables.ย i'm certainly not saying these are counterfeit.ย i believe they are not.ย i am trying to understand the edition a bit better. not only is the location of the numbering different... the edition size is different.ย images online of the signed edition is numbered out of 150.ย these are numbered out of 450. I agree. It's all to vague and confusing. I don't think anyone this they are faking these. I just think the information isn't clear and this could easily be a different edition. Still cool though. I'd also be interested in know Lichtenstein involvement or awareness besides signing 150 of some type of version.
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tran16
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by tran16 on Sept 22, 2017 17:39:46 GMT 1, Now updated with a Baldessari print drop, thanks Chris
Now updated with a Baldessari print drop, thanks Chris
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chrispa
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by chrispa on Sept 22, 2017 18:08:10 GMT 1, I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold
I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold
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supacpeon
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by supacpeon on Sept 22, 2017 18:54:09 GMT 1, I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold
Same.
I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold Same.
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gd79
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by gd79 on Sept 22, 2017 19:10:41 GMT 1, I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold Same.
You mean on the abstract cow? Will watch out for that. Had been told they had taken then to a fayre, and only had a few left....
I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold Same. You mean on the abstract cow? Will watch out for that. Had been told they had taken then to a fayre, and only had a few left....
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cogitobcn
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by cogitobcn on Sept 22, 2017 19:53:18 GMT 1, I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold Same. Sorry, mates..
... I'm starting to be worried... can you tell me at what time did you got their cancellation e-mail?
I got refunded - they only had 15 in "drop 2" and it oversold Same. Sorry, mates.. ... I'm starting to be worried... can you tell me at what time did you got their cancellation e-mail?
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supacpeon
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by supacpeon on Sept 22, 2017 22:19:58 GMT 1, Dear Sir, unfortunately, we run out of stock of the 15 prints in 30 minutes. We are refunding you and apologise for this inconvenient.
Received from Alinari for the Cow Going Abstract order, at 6:04 AM PST (~8.25 hours ago).
Dear Sir, unfortunately, we run out of stock of the 15 prints in 30 minutes. We are refunding you and apologise for this inconvenient.
Received from Alinari for the Cow Going Abstract order, at 6:04 AM PST (~8.25 hours ago).
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firstimer
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March 2015
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by firstimer on Sept 22, 2017 23:47:06 GMT 1, any word on todays drop?
any word on todays drop?
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Howard Johnson
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September 2014
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Sept 22, 2017 23:55:26 GMT 1,
Check the first page
Check the first page
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 11:29:04 GMT 1, Dear Sir, unfortunately, we run out of stock of the 15 prints in 30 minutes. We are refunding you and apologise for this inconvenient.Received from Alinari for the Cow Going Abstract order, at 6:04 AM PST (~8.25 hours ago).
I've not heard anything, just got my PayPal receipt.
No news is good news perhaps?
Dear Sir, unfortunately, we run out of stock of the 15 prints in 30 minutes. We are refunding you and apologise for this inconvenient.Received from Alinari for the Cow Going Abstract order, at 6:04 AM PST (~8.25 hours ago). I've not heard anything, just got my PayPal receipt. No news is good news perhaps?
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cogitobcn
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by cogitobcn on Sept 24, 2017 11:37:43 GMT 1, I've not heard anything, just got my PayPal receipt. No news is good news perhaps? I hope so... I'm in the same situation: PayPal receipt and Alinari order confirmation.
I've not heard anything, just got my PayPal receipt. No news is good news perhaps? I hope so... I'm in the same situation: PayPal receipt and Alinari order confirmation.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 24, 2017 14:25:15 GMT 1, Since no one seems interested and I'm assuming it's cause this isn't flippable or profit worthy!
Thanks for sharing your next find! Nice little print of a great artist.
Since no one seems interested and I'm assuming it's cause this isn't flippable or profit worthy!
Thanks for sharing your next find! Nice little print of a great artist.
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