arthoarder
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by arthoarder on Sept 21, 2017 19:09:31 GMT 1, Just picked up a set - they bumped the price by 50 bucks but still dope.
Just picked up a set - they bumped the price by 50 bucks but still dope.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Sept 21, 2017 19:13:22 GMT 1, this thread? And the guy who bought all the prints up.. man I really hope you make fuck all profit. Inshallah
this thread? And the guy who bought all the prints up.. man I really hope you make fuck all profit. Inshallah
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gd79
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by gd79 on Sept 21, 2017 19:33:12 GMT 1, Dealt. Lovely. Great post, hugely appreciated
Dealt. Lovely. Great post, hugely appreciated
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 19:44:32 GMT 1, I just got a set, Thanks ever so much @christoffer gaddini
I just got a set, Thanks ever so much @christoffer gaddini
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kristakis
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by kristakis on Sept 21, 2017 20:33:50 GMT 1, Updated description "From the riginal print of 1974 reproduced by Alinari for the exhibition in Florence of the 1982 world tour of exhibition by ROY LICHTENSTEIN with the precious craft technique of collotype in 300 numbered pieces NOT signed"
Updated description "From the riginal print of 1974 reproduced by Alinari for the exhibition in Florence of the 1982 world tour of exhibition by ROY LICHTENSTEIN with the precious craft technique of collotype in 300 numbered pieces NOT signed"
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poplux
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by poplux on Sept 21, 2017 20:59:39 GMT 1, Updated description "From the riginal print of 1974 reproduced by Alinari for the exhibition in Florence of the 1982 world tour of exhibition by ROY LICHTENSTEIN with the precious craft technique of collotype in 300 numbered pieces NOT signed"
Yep, saw that. They told me that it's the same part of the original 450 edition from 1982, I don't know what to think.
Updated description "From the riginal print of 1974 reproduced by Alinari for the exhibition in Florence of the 1982 world tour of exhibition by ROY LICHTENSTEIN with the precious craft technique of collotype in 300 numbered pieces NOT signed"Yep, saw that. They told me that it's the same part of the original 450 edition from 1982, I don't know what to think.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 21, 2017 20:59:39 GMT 1, It's still very unclear how these relate to the signed ones that are three separate images.
These appear to be numbered on the third panel. The signed ones appear to be signed and numbered on first panel or also contain nunnery by on all panels.
It's still very unclear how these relate to the signed ones that are three separate images.
These appear to be numbered on the third panel. The signed ones appear to be signed and numbered on first panel or also contain nunnery by on all panels.
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peted
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by peted on Sept 21, 2017 21:07:37 GMT 1, My hat off to Mr Gaddini - just picked up a set. Top man!
My hat off to Mr Gaddini - just picked up a set. Top man!
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viz
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by viz on Sept 21, 2017 21:22:42 GMT 1, been a lurker for a very long time (just not much to say and not enough time to say it), just registered to thank mr Gaddini!
anyway, the information seems quite clear to me:
1974 original painting 1982 print with the same subject
total number of prints 450, divided into 150 signed and 300 unsigned, as clearly reported in the catalogue raisonne of the prints and by the Lichtenstein foundation: www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=80&year=82&work_id=3847#
the unsigned ones keep the original design of the print with the writing on the side, the signed ones had the writing removed.
been a lurker for a very long time (just not much to say and not enough time to say it), just registered to thank mr Gaddini! anyway, the information seems quite clear to me: 1974 original painting 1982 print with the same subject total number of prints 450, divided into 150 signed and 300 unsigned, as clearly reported in the catalogue raisonne of the prints and by the Lichtenstein foundation: www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=80&year=82&work_id=3847#
the unsigned ones keep the original design of the print with the writing on the side, the signed ones had the writing removed.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 21, 2017 21:27:08 GMT 1, been a lurker for a very long time (just not much to say and not enough time to say it), just registered to thank mr Gaddini!ย anyway, the information seems quite clear to me: 1974 original painting 1982 print with the same subject total number of prints 450, divided into 150 signed and 300 unsigned, as clearly reported in the catalogue raisonne of the prints and by the Lichtenstein foundation: www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=80&year=82&work_id=3847#
the unsigned ones keep the original design of the print with the writing on the side, the signed ones had the writing removed.
Thing is I've seen plenty unsigned with no lettering...
been a lurker for a very long time (just not much to say and not enough time to say it), just registered to thank mr Gaddini!ย anyway, the information seems quite clear to me: 1974 original painting 1982 print with the same subject total number of prints 450, divided into 150 signed and 300 unsigned, as clearly reported in the catalogue raisonne of the prints and by the Lichtenstein foundation: www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=80&year=82&work_id=3847#
the unsigned ones keep the original design of the print with the writing on the side, the signed ones had the writing removed.
Thing is I've seen plenty unsigned with no lettering...
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maxamaxa2
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by maxamaxa2 on Sept 21, 2017 21:40:15 GMT 1, It's still very unclear how these relate to the signed ones that are three separate images. These appear to be numbered on the third panel. The signed ones appear to be signed and numbered on first panel or also contain nunnery by on all panels.
Chris instagram post shows the first (clear cow) as numbered at least, it doesnโt show photos of the other two but perhaps they all are numbered then?
It's still very unclear how these relate to the signed ones that are three separate images. These appear to be numbered on the third panel. The signed ones appear to be signed and numbered on first panel or also contain nunnery by on all panels. Chris instagram post shows the first (clear cow) as numbered at least, it doesnโt show photos of the other two but perhaps they all are numbered then?
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 21, 2017 22:01:19 GMT 1, been a lurker for a very long time (just not much to say and not enough time to say it), just registered to thank mr Gaddini!ย anyway, the information seems quite clear to me: 1974 original painting 1982 print with the same subject total number of prints 450, divided into 150 signed and 300 unsigned, as clearly reported in the catalogue raisonne of the prints and by the Lichtenstein foundation: www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=80&year=82&work_id=3847#
the unsigned ones keep the original design of the print with the writing on the side, the signed ones had the writing removed.
Thing is I've seen plenty unsigned with no lettering...
Unsigned first panel with no words.
www.etsy.com/listing/473532810/roy-lichtenstein-cow-going-abstract
been a lurker for a very long time (just not much to say and not enough time to say it), just registered to thank mr Gaddini!ย anyway, the information seems quite clear to me: 1974 original painting 1982 print with the same subject total number of prints 450, divided into 150 signed and 300 unsigned, as clearly reported in the catalogue raisonne of the prints and by the Lichtenstein foundation: www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=80&year=82&work_id=3847#
the unsigned ones keep the original design of the print with the writing on the side, the signed ones had the writing removed.
Thing is I've seen plenty unsigned with no lettering... Unsigned first panel with no words. www.etsy.com/listing/473532810/roy-lichtenstein-cow-going-abstract
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poplux
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by poplux on Sept 21, 2017 22:03:22 GMT 1,
Its the first panel and after the unsigned edition of 1982
Its the first panel and after the unsigned edition of 1982
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Pawel
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Pawel on Sept 21, 2017 22:21:34 GMT 1, The description says these are done using collotype. Weren't the original 450 screen printed?
The description says these are done using collotype. Weren't the original 450 screen printed?
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soupy
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by soupy on Sept 21, 2017 22:31:33 GMT 1, The description says these are done using collotype. Weren't the original 450 screen printed? this is where i am confused. description is for essentially an offset litho poster but the 1982 edition i thought was screenprinted. can anyone clarify? to anyone who ordered the first time provide some info?
The description says these are done using collotype. Weren't the original 450 screen printed? this is where i am confused. description is for essentially an offset litho poster but the 1982 edition i thought was screenprinted. can anyone clarify? to anyone who ordered the first time provide some info?
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Howard Johnson
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Sept 21, 2017 22:39:36 GMT 1, The description says these are done using collotype. Weren't the original 450 screen printed? this is where i am confused.ย ย description is for essentially an offset litho poster but the 1982 edition i thought was screenprinted.ย can anyone clarify?ย to anyone who ordered the first time provide some info?
Glad people had a second shot at these! They are all numbered, matching at least for my set. so my understanding is that these are similar to a banksy edition with the first 150 being signed and the next 300 being unsigned. I believe all of them have the text, but the vast majority of the signed ones are trimmed. I found auction sales for signed ones with the lettering. Probably best if someone drops a line to the foundation for clarification and reports back to the group lol.
The description says these are done using collotype. Weren't the original 450 screen printed? this is where i am confused.ย ย description is for essentially an offset litho poster but the 1982 edition i thought was screenprinted.ย can anyone clarify?ย to anyone who ordered the first time provide some info? Glad people had a second shot at these! They are all numbered, matching at least for my set. so my understanding is that these are similar to a banksy edition with the first 150 being signed and the next 300 being unsigned. I believe all of them have the text, but the vast majority of the signed ones are trimmed. I found auction sales for signed ones with the lettering. Probably best if someone drops a line to the foundation for clarification and reports back to the group lol.
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 21, 2017 22:44:37 GMT 1, this is where i am confused.ย ย description is for essentially an offset litho poster but the 1982 edition i thought was screenprinted.ย can anyone clarify?ย to anyone who ordered the first time provide some info? Glad people had a second shot at these! They are all numbered, matching at least for my set. so my understanding is that these are similar to a banksy edition with the first 150 being signed and the next 300 being unsigned. I believe all of them have the text, but the vast majority of the signed ones are trimmed. I found auction sales for signed ones with the lettering. Probably best if someone drops a line to the foundation for clarification and reports back to the group lol.
Interesting. Any idea on it being a screenprint vs collotype?
this is where i am confused.ย ย description is for essentially an offset litho poster but the 1982 edition i thought was screenprinted.ย can anyone clarify?ย to anyone who ordered the first time provide some info? Glad people had a second shot at these! They are all numbered, matching at least for my set. so my understanding is that these are similar to a banksy edition with the first 150 being signed and the next 300 being unsigned. I believe all of them have the text, but the vast majority of the signed ones are trimmed. I found auction sales for signed ones with the lettering. Probably best if someone drops a line to the foundation for clarification and reports back to the group lol. Interesting. Any idea on it being a screenprint vs collotype?
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viz
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by viz on Sept 21, 2017 22:51:08 GMT 1, I dont' think Fratelli Alinari ever made screenprints... www.alinari.it/en/stamperia.asp ...and they are the official publisher of this edition.
For sure there might be a few more copies unsigned and unnumbered as it happens for all the prints by all artists...but, also given the technique used for this edition, it is unlikely there is "plenty" of them. Moreover there would be several auction sales reported for these but there are not, all of them are for the signed ones (although being numerically less)
I dont' think Fratelli Alinari ever made screenprints... www.alinari.it/en/stamperia.asp...and they are the official publisher of this edition. For sure there might be a few more copies unsigned and unnumbered as it happens for all the prints by all artists...but, also given the technique used for this edition, it is unlikely there is "plenty" of them. Moreover there would be several auction sales reported for these but there are not, all of them are for the signed ones (although being numerically less)
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supacpeon
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by supacpeon on Sept 21, 2017 23:03:19 GMT 1, I'm skeptical based on the low price and the "collotype" description that these are from the 300 unsigned 1982 edition. Alinari kept them for 35 years to release now?
But I also doubt that Alinari would make false/unauthorized reproductions of the Cow Triptych.
Well...I impulsively ordered the set - thanks OP and thebot.
I'm skeptical based on the low price and the "collotype" description that these are from the 300 unsigned 1982 edition. Alinari kept them for 35 years to release now? But I also doubt that Alinari would make false/unauthorized reproductions of the Cow Triptych. Well...I impulsively ordered the set - thanks OP and thebot.
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cogitobcn
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by cogitobcn on Sept 21, 2017 23:11:15 GMT 1, Mr Gaddini, thanks for this second oportunity, this time I couldn't resist the temptation.
Mr Gaddini, thanks for this second oportunity, this time I couldn't resist the temptation.
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chrispa
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by chrispa on Sept 21, 2017 23:18:46 GMT 1, Missed out the first time, but not the second Ordered
Missed out the first time, but not the second Ordered
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by silverbull8 on Sept 21, 2017 23:36:40 GMT 1, Chris, many thanks for the find, missed out first time around and just lucked out and ordered a set!! Keep up the good work, you are for sure a class act.
Chris, many thanks for the find, missed out first time around and just lucked out and ordered a set!! Keep up the good work, you are for sure a class act.
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cogitobcn
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by cogitobcn on Sept 21, 2017 23:50:52 GMT 1, FYI, it seems clear that the collotype technique has little relation with silk printing. It's an interesting and exotic technique;
--------------------- Collotypes:
Not to be confused with collagraphs. In this extremely rare and miserably difficult photographic medium the prints are printed on either a regular etching press or litho press from glass plates (yes, real glass...) coated with a thick gelatin based photographic silver salt emulsion. The image is exposed on the plate and developed just as a regular photograph would be using all the same chemicals. But instead of printing the image on light sensitive paper, the gelatin plate is kept damp in a humidity controlled room (controlled to tropical jungle levels of humidity) so the gelatin will absorb moisture from the air where there is no black silver image protecting it. Some of the few artists working in this medium go ahead and use sponges very gingerly to keep the gelatin damp because the act of printing works up enough of a sweat as it is without resulting to subjecting the printer to drudge away in a sauna. The plate is rolled up with an oil based ink which, with luck, sticks to the silvered areas and, with luck, is repelled by the damp gelatin. Obviously there are many potential drawbacks to this process, the worst of which is the delicacy of the printing surface. If there is just a little bit too much moisture in the air or if the sponge is too damp the whole gelatin surface will dissolve causing the image to simply peel off the plate. Another problem is the pressure of the press. If there is any irregularity or bump in the press bed, or if too much pressure is used on the glass plate... well, you know. ---------------------
FYI, it seems clear that the collotype technique has little relation with silk printing. It's an interesting and exotic technique;
--------------------- Collotypes:
Not to be confused with collagraphs. In this extremely rare and miserably difficult photographic medium the prints are printed on either a regular etching press or litho press from glass plates (yes, real glass...) coated with a thick gelatin based photographic silver salt emulsion. The image is exposed on the plate and developed just as a regular photograph would be using all the same chemicals. But instead of printing the image on light sensitive paper, the gelatin plate is kept damp in a humidity controlled room (controlled to tropical jungle levels of humidity) so the gelatin will absorb moisture from the air where there is no black silver image protecting it. Some of the few artists working in this medium go ahead and use sponges very gingerly to keep the gelatin damp because the act of printing works up enough of a sweat as it is without resulting to subjecting the printer to drudge away in a sauna. The plate is rolled up with an oil based ink which, with luck, sticks to the silvered areas and, with luck, is repelled by the damp gelatin. Obviously there are many potential drawbacks to this process, the worst of which is the delicacy of the printing surface. If there is just a little bit too much moisture in the air or if the sponge is too damp the whole gelatin surface will dissolve causing the image to simply peel off the plate. Another problem is the pressure of the press. If there is any irregularity or bump in the press bed, or if too much pressure is used on the glass plate... well, you know. ---------------------
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snipt
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by snipt on Sept 21, 2017 23:51:35 GMT 1, ...and gone again. Doh!
...and gone again. Doh!
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 22, 2017 0:02:46 GMT 1,
Until they find more! Haha.
It's nice but a little pricey for me.
Until they find more! Haha. It's nice but a little pricey for me.
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soupy
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by soupy on Sept 22, 2017 0:43:00 GMT 1, so there seems to be 2 editions made in 1982 then?
(1) signed screenprint edition numbered to 150 (numbered in lower left) with 300 additional unsigned (2) collotype poster edition numbered to 450 (numbered in lower right out)
so there seems to be 2 editions made in 1982 then?
(1) signed screenprint edition numbered to 150 (numbered in lower left) with 300 additional unsigned (2) collotype poster edition numbered to 450 (numbered in lower right out)
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Pawel
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Pawel on Sept 22, 2017 0:49:08 GMT 1, so there seems to be 2 editions made in 1982 then? (1) signed screenprint edition numbered to 150 (numbered in lower left) with 300 additional unsigned (2) collotype poster edition numbered to 450 (numbered in lower right out)
It would seem that about 150 collotype prints were signed:
In fact it did not take long to "discover" that in 1982, during the Florentine stop of the world tour of Roy Lichtenstein, the artist himself wanted his work was reproduced in only 450 copies with the ancient technique of collotype. Roy signed it about 150 and the other copies remained, equally beautiful, for Alinari.
Man this is confusing
so there seems to be 2 editions made in 1982 then? (1) signed screenprint edition numbered to 150 (numbered in lower left) with 300 additional unsigned (2) collotype poster edition numbered to 450 (numbered in lower right out) It would seem that about 150 collotype prints were signed: In fact it did not take long to "discover" that in 1982, during the Florentine stop of the world tour of Roy Lichtenstein, the artist himself wanted his work was reproduced in only 450 copies with the ancient technique of collotype. Roy signed it about 150 and the other copies remained, equally beautiful, for Alinari. Man this is confusing
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 22, 2017 1:10:22 GMT 1, Super confusing.
There has to be a screenprint version. I can't imagine the catalogue for the lichtenstein website would mistakenfly have lthem listed as screenprints.
Super confusing.
There has to be a screenprint version. I can't imagine the catalogue for the lichtenstein website would mistakenfly have lthem listed as screenprints.
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