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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 5:44:25 GMT 1, I don't think ppl are getting bored, they are just not able to flip as before. What i've seen over the years is that before there were not as many 'artists'and the good ones were very flippable, now there are a shit ton of "artists" and less flippable, so not as appealing. I've seen images of popular artists that are painfully boring or lazy sell out just cuz of the name in the hope of a flip, and i've seen many beautiful prints from artists (example visit pangeaseed shop) that just sit there because their names are not flippable but their art is just so easy on the eyes.. In short answer, its the money.
I don't think ppl are getting bored, they are just not able to flip as before. What i've seen over the years is that before there were not as many 'artists'and the good ones were very flippable, now there are a shit ton of "artists" and less flippable, so not as appealing. I've seen images of popular artists that are painfully boring or lazy sell out just cuz of the name in the hope of a flip, and i've seen many beautiful prints from artists (example visit pangeaseed shop) that just sit there because their names are not flippable but their art is just so easy on the eyes.. In short answer, its the money.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Daniel Silk on Jan 10, 2019 6:08:43 GMT 1, Maybe things are just moving at a slower place, thatโs not saying itโs not so popular, I actually think itโs getting more and more popular, itโs just people are taking more time to buy and saving up for more expensive pieces. People have realised they only have so much wall space, and are thinking hard before getting caught up in a mad rush to buy.
Maybe things are just moving at a slower place, thatโs not saying itโs not so popular, I actually think itโs getting more and more popular, itโs just people are taking more time to buy and saving up for more expensive pieces. People have realised they only have so much wall space, and are thinking hard before getting caught up in a mad rush to buy.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by hiya on Jan 10, 2019 9:02:04 GMT 1, You get older. You run out of wall space. You're tastes evolve, you need to sell something to allow room for something else in the little space that you have in your apartment/terraced home. It's probably a good time to be an artist, I'm finding more and more people are starting to get interested in art whereas before they'd be happy buying shitty Ikea/habitat framed posters for their walls.
You get older. You run out of wall space. You're tastes evolve, you need to sell something to allow room for something else in the little space that you have in your apartment/terraced home. It's probably a good time to be an artist, I'm finding more and more people are starting to get interested in art whereas before they'd be happy buying shitty Ikea/habitat framed posters for their walls.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by iamzero on Jan 10, 2019 10:45:00 GMT 1, I think the high prices on release arenโt doing the scene any favours.
I think the high prices on release arenโt doing the scene any favours.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Guy Denning on Jan 10, 2019 11:24:53 GMT 1, A lot of artists find a theme that sells and stick to it. That can get boring. It's trying to be original that is the problem. There's not much that hasn't been done already. Trying to be 'original' is the problem indeed. Technical prowess and measured progress have taken a back seat. The true taste-makers are the small circle of blue-chip gallery owners that choose the new art at source, and they choose to primarily feed a market that, like all modern markets in non-essential goods, needs novelty. And novelty for the sake of novelty in the face of originality kills creativity - which needs time to develop.
A lot of artists find a theme that sells and stick to it. That can get boring. It's trying to be original that is the problem. There's not much that hasn't been done already. Trying to be 'original' is the problem indeed. Technical prowess and measured progress have taken a back seat. The true taste-makers are the small circle of blue-chip gallery owners that choose the new art at source, and they choose to primarily feed a market that, like all modern markets in non-essential goods, needs novelty. And novelty for the sake of novelty in the face of originality kills creativity - which needs time to develop.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Guy Denning on Jan 10, 2019 11:42:01 GMT 1, Perhaps ... but this is not necessarily an indictment of 'urban' artists, but possibly a lack of acceptance by much of the mainstream art world making it difficult to continue their practice. It's not difficult to continue your 'practice'. I was working on paper, canvas and walls from the early 80s until the late 90s with no gallery representation. I self-organised exhibitions in dead shop space (the 'proper' art world called this 'vanity' exhibitions - now the same bastards do it and call it a 'pop-up') and sold work privately. At the same time I was working full-time in a variety of other jobs to keep the wolf from the door. In 2006 I got noticed and everything went nutty for a few years (thanks in no small part to this forum - thank you people). Things have calmed down but I still paint and draw full-time now (and I'm immensely grateful for that) and it won't stop until I'm in the ground. If lack of acceptance by the mainstream art world stops an artist making work then they're making the work for the wrong reason. Particularly in this day and age when social media and technology gives every creative access to an audience beyond their immediate family, some supportive mates and that bloke down the pub with the mangy pooch.
Perhaps ... but this is not necessarily an indictment of 'urban' artists, but possibly a lack of acceptance by much of the mainstream art world making it difficult to continue their practice. It's not difficult to continue your 'practice'. I was working on paper, canvas and walls from the early 80s until the late 90s with no gallery representation. I self-organised exhibitions in dead shop space (the 'proper' art world called this 'vanity' exhibitions - now the same bastards do it and call it a 'pop-up') and sold work privately. At the same time I was working full-time in a variety of other jobs to keep the wolf from the door. In 2006 I got noticed and everything went nutty for a few years (thanks in no small part to this forum - thank you people). Things have calmed down but I still paint and draw full-time now (and I'm immensely grateful for that) and it won't stop until I'm in the ground. If lack of acceptance by the mainstream art world stops an artist making work then they're making the work for the wrong reason. Particularly in this day and age when social media and technology gives every creative access to an audience beyond their immediate family, some supportive mates and that bloke down the pub with the mangy pooch.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jan 10, 2019 11:43:01 GMT 1, A lot of artists find a theme that sells and stick to it. That can get boring. It's trying to be original that is the problem. There's not much that hasn't been done already. Trying to be 'original' is the problem indeed. Technical prowess and measured progress have taken a back seat.ย The true taste-makers are the small circle of blue-chip gallery owners that choose the new art at source, and they choose to primarily feed a market that, like all modern markets in non-essential goods, needs novelty. And novelty for the sake of novelty in the face of originality kills creativity - which needs time to develop.
Always like your posts and honesty on here fella ๐ I will pick up a little charcoal sketch of yours one day. Keep up the good work.
A lot of artists find a theme that sells and stick to it. That can get boring. It's trying to be original that is the problem. There's not much that hasn't been done already. Trying to be 'original' is the problem indeed. Technical prowess and measured progress have taken a back seat.ย The true taste-makers are the small circle of blue-chip gallery owners that choose the new art at source, and they choose to primarily feed a market that, like all modern markets in non-essential goods, needs novelty. And novelty for the sake of novelty in the face of originality kills creativity - which needs time to develop. Always like your posts and honesty on here fella ๐ I will pick up a little charcoal sketch of yours one day. Keep up the good work.
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Guy Denning
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Guy Denning on Jan 10, 2019 11:50:43 GMT 1, Can you define "urban art" for me as it seems to be pretty big tent at this point. Itโs just another โismโ (even though, to my knowledge, it hasnโt turned up yet as โUrbanismโ) that Iโve been taken and marketed under, despite the fact that a collector described my work as โurbanโ more than twenty years agoโฆ
Itโs a strange name that seems to be waiting for a clear definition as it apparently covers any artist that a growing bundle of galleries want to push. So it stands in for graffiti (indoors and out), street art and performance, paintings that contain references to urban culture, paintings that donโt but are made by artists who have worked on walls, paintings on walls by artists that usually donโt, art interventions against advertising, graffiti being re-imagined on canvas, paste-ups of woodcut prints, mass produced subversive stickers, stencils, tags, tag warsโฆ Itโs all very amorphous and perhaps with a long life specifically because of that lack of a clear definition. The one thing that all the work under this umbrella does seem to benefit from is the democratic nature of its audience. It isnโt an exclusive art. Itโs not an art that needs the knowledgeable, art-bollox spouting critic to validate it. It has a relevance to an audience that otherwise would have ignored art as being not for them. Itโs an art for the modern world.
Can you define "urban art" for me as it seems to be pretty big tent at this point. Itโs just another โismโ (even though, to my knowledge, it hasnโt turned up yet as โUrbanismโ) that Iโve been taken and marketed under, despite the fact that a collector described my work as โurbanโ more than twenty years agoโฆ Itโs a strange name that seems to be waiting for a clear definition as it apparently covers any artist that a growing bundle of galleries want to push. So it stands in for graffiti (indoors and out), street art and performance, paintings that contain references to urban culture, paintings that donโt but are made by artists who have worked on walls, paintings on walls by artists that usually donโt, art interventions against advertising, graffiti being re-imagined on canvas, paste-ups of woodcut prints, mass produced subversive stickers, stencils, tags, tag warsโฆ Itโs all very amorphous and perhaps with a long life specifically because of that lack of a clear definition. The one thing that all the work under this umbrella does seem to benefit from is the democratic nature of its audience. It isnโt an exclusive art. Itโs not an art that needs the knowledgeable, art-bollox spouting critic to validate it. It has a relevance to an audience that otherwise would have ignored art as being not for them. Itโs an art for the modern world.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by nex on Jan 10, 2019 12:01:02 GMT 1, Can you define "urban art" for me as it seems to be pretty big tent at this point. Itโs just another โismโ (even though, to my knowledge, it hasnโt turned up yet as โUrbanismโ) that Iโve been taken and marketed under, despite the fact that a collector described my work as โurbanโ more than twenty years agoโฆ Itโs a strange name that seems to be waiting for a clear definition as it apparently covers any artist that a growing bundle of galleries want to push. So it stands in for graffiti (indoors and out), street art and performance, paintings that contain references to urban culture, paintings that donโt but are made by artists who have worked on walls, paintings on walls by artists that usually donโt, art interventions against advertising, graffiti being re-imagined on canvas, paste-ups of woodcut prints, mass produced subversive stickers, stencils, tags, tag warsโฆ Itโs all very amorphous and perhaps with a long life specifically because of that lack of a clear definition. The one thing that all the work under this umbrella does seem to benefit from is the democratic nature of its audience. It isnโt an exclusive art. Itโs not an art that needs the knowledgeable, art-bollox spouting critic to validate it. It has a relevance to an audience that otherwise would have ignored art as being not for them. Itโs an art for the modern world. Urban art simply grew from street artists selling their work and then galleries monetisin g it. Therefore urban art is the commercialisation of work of/from the streets. As with most commercialisation imitations are plentiful.
Can you define "urban art" for me as it seems to be pretty big tent at this point. Itโs just another โismโ (even though, to my knowledge, it hasnโt turned up yet as โUrbanismโ) that Iโve been taken and marketed under, despite the fact that a collector described my work as โurbanโ more than twenty years agoโฆ Itโs a strange name that seems to be waiting for a clear definition as it apparently covers any artist that a growing bundle of galleries want to push. So it stands in for graffiti (indoors and out), street art and performance, paintings that contain references to urban culture, paintings that donโt but are made by artists who have worked on walls, paintings on walls by artists that usually donโt, art interventions against advertising, graffiti being re-imagined on canvas, paste-ups of woodcut prints, mass produced subversive stickers, stencils, tags, tag warsโฆ Itโs all very amorphous and perhaps with a long life specifically because of that lack of a clear definition. The one thing that all the work under this umbrella does seem to benefit from is the democratic nature of its audience. It isnโt an exclusive art. Itโs not an art that needs the knowledgeable, art-bollox spouting critic to validate it. It has a relevance to an audience that otherwise would have ignored art as being not for them. Itโs an art for the modern world. Urban art simply grew from street artists selling their work and then galleries monetisin g it. Therefore urban art is the commercialisation of work of/from the streets. As with most commercialisation imitations are plentiful.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by mojo on Jan 10, 2019 12:12:31 GMT 1, Itโs just another โismโ (even though, to my knowledge, it hasnโt turned up yet as โUrbanismโ) that Iโve been taken and marketed under, despite the fact that a collector described my work as โurbanโ more than twenty years agoโฆ Itโs a strange name that seems to be waiting for a clear definition as it apparently covers any artist that a growing bundle of galleries want to push. So it stands in for graffiti (indoors and out), street art and performance, paintings that contain references to urban culture, paintings that donโt but are made by artists who have worked on walls, paintings on walls by artists that usually donโt, art interventions against advertising, graffiti being re-imagined on canvas, paste-ups of woodcut prints, mass produced subversive stickers, stencils, tags, tag warsโฆ Itโs all very amorphous and perhaps with a long life specifically because of that lack of a clear definition. The one thing that all the work under this umbrella does seem to benefit from is the democratic nature of its audience. It isnโt an exclusive art. Itโs not an art that needs the knowledgeable, art-bollox spouting critic to validate it. It has a relevance to an audience that otherwise would have ignored art as being not for them. Itโs an art for the modern world. Urban art simply grew from street artists selling their work and then galleries monetisin g it. Therefore urban art is the commercialisation of work of/from the streets. As with most commercialisation imitations are plentiful. Anyone remember when Charming Baker made an 'official' statement to say that his work had absolutely nothing to do with street or urban art? A good example of an artist being 'lumped' into a genre that had no relevance to their practice.
Itโs just another โismโ (even though, to my knowledge, it hasnโt turned up yet as โUrbanismโ) that Iโve been taken and marketed under, despite the fact that a collector described my work as โurbanโ more than twenty years agoโฆ Itโs a strange name that seems to be waiting for a clear definition as it apparently covers any artist that a growing bundle of galleries want to push. So it stands in for graffiti (indoors and out), street art and performance, paintings that contain references to urban culture, paintings that donโt but are made by artists who have worked on walls, paintings on walls by artists that usually donโt, art interventions against advertising, graffiti being re-imagined on canvas, paste-ups of woodcut prints, mass produced subversive stickers, stencils, tags, tag warsโฆ Itโs all very amorphous and perhaps with a long life specifically because of that lack of a clear definition. The one thing that all the work under this umbrella does seem to benefit from is the democratic nature of its audience. It isnโt an exclusive art. Itโs not an art that needs the knowledgeable, art-bollox spouting critic to validate it. It has a relevance to an audience that otherwise would have ignored art as being not for them. Itโs an art for the modern world. Urban art simply grew from street artists selling their work and then galleries monetisin g it. Therefore urban art is the commercialisation of work of/from the streets. As with most commercialisation imitations are plentiful. Anyone remember when Charming Baker made an 'official' statement to say that his work had absolutely nothing to do with street or urban art? A good example of an artist being 'lumped' into a genre that had no relevance to their practice.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Hairbland on Jan 10, 2019 14:19:43 GMT 1, All of these opinions are of the select few that regularly post and inhabit this space, and thus represent a small sampling. One can go days / weeks with no real news or info, and having to wade through the multiple threads of the few that have currently co-opted the forum - such as Wood or Shrigley at the moment.
All of these opinions are of the select few that regularly post and inhabit this space, and thus represent a small sampling. One can go days / weeks with no real news or info, and having to wade through the multiple threads of the few that have currently co-opted the forum - such as Wood or Shrigley at the moment.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by iamzero on Jan 10, 2019 14:53:26 GMT 1, Does that mean outside of this forum you think Shrigley and Wood arenโt relevant or have I misunderstood?
Does that mean outside of this forum you think Shrigley and Wood arenโt relevant or have I misunderstood?
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by tab1 on Jan 10, 2019 16:12:38 GMT 1, I don't think ppl are getting bored, they are just not able to flip as before. What i've seen over the years is that before there were not as many 'artists'and the good ones were very flippable, now there are as**t ton of "artists" and less flippable, so not as appealing. I've seen images of popular artists that are painfully boring or lazy sell out just cuz of the name in the hope of a flip, and i've seen many beautiful prints from artists (example visit pangeaseed shop) that just sit there because their names are not flippable but their art is just so easy on the eyes.. In short answer, its the money.
Some Galleries now state releasing at market price to out do flippers , justified selling at extortionate prices , but with out the secondary market / flippers , editions would not instantly sell out and would be more gradual sales Think too many base success on print editions selling out in a day rather than skill set . Mostly these types are to be traded for financial gain
Some points effecting this scene: Increased pricings with larger editions for most new comers with little history Monotonous themes Re releases / re hash Increased Artist Collaborations when do not suit Gallery misrepresentation
I don't think ppl are getting bored, they are just not able to flip as before. What i've seen over the years is that before there were not as many 'artists'and the good ones were very flippable, now there are as**t ton of "artists" and less flippable, so not as appealing. I've seen images of popular artists that are painfully boring or lazy sell out just cuz of the name in the hope of a flip, and i've seen many beautiful prints from artists (example visit pangeaseed shop) that just sit there because their names are not flippable but their art is just so easy on the eyes.. In short answer, its the money. Some Galleries now state releasing at market price to out do flippers , justified selling at extortionate prices , but with out the secondary market / flippers , editions would not instantly sell out and would be more gradual sales Think too many base success on print editions selling out in a day rather than skill set . Mostly these types are to be traded for financial gain Some points effecting this scene: Increased pricings with larger editions for most new comers with little history Monotonous themes Re releases / re hash Increased Artist Collaborations when do not suit Gallery misrepresentation
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by rootona on Jan 10, 2019 17:16:31 GMT 1, what annoys me are the artists who copy each other and always doing the same stencils
what annoys me are the artists who copy each other and always doing the same stencils
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Daniel Silk on Jan 10, 2019 19:08:14 GMT 1, Can you define "urban art" for me as it seems to be pretty big tent at this point.
When this place went from being the Banksy Forum into the Urban Art Association, the term "Urban Art" got some very hostile reactions. At the time, it was clear most of the art couldn't be called "Street Art" so "Urban Art" was the only option, but as you say it's a big tent and can describe a large range of art coming from all types of directions.
Can you define "urban art" for me as it seems to be pretty big tent at this point. When this place went from being the Banksy Forum into the Urban Art Association, the term "Urban Art" got some very hostile reactions. At the time, it was clear most of the art couldn't be called "Street Art" so "Urban Art" was the only option, but as you say it's a big tent and can describe a large range of art coming from all types of directions.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by tab1 on Jan 10, 2019 19:08:52 GMT 1, what annoys me are the artists who copy each other and always doing the same stencils
If it sells , guaranteed money earner ,that's what is stopping progression , unwillingness to change as might effect sales ! Copying should come around less in the future as of The backlash as eventually found out by someone on the internet which would put others off hopefully from doing the same.
what annoys me are the artists who copy each other and always doing the same stencils If it sells , guaranteed money earner ,that's what is stopping progression , unwillingness to change as might effect sales ! Copying should come around less in the future as of The backlash as eventually found out by someone on the internet which would put others off hopefully from doing the same.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by walfredo on Jan 10, 2019 20:16:25 GMT 1, i agree with this. some artists i like i am starting to back away from because they are starting to look like a 'one-trick pony' which scares me a bit....really hoping to see some progress to the creative and not just a variation of the same thing.
i agree with this. some artists i like i am starting to back away from because they are starting to look like a 'one-trick pony' which scares me a bit....really hoping to see some progress to the creative and not just a variation of the same thing.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by unkle77 on Jan 10, 2019 20:55:32 GMT 1, i find my tastes are getting more expensive, which leads to more thought out purchases which equals less purchases.
i am not really bored, just getting more picky lol
i find my tastes are getting more expensive, which leads to more thought out purchases which equals less purchases.
i am not really bored, just getting more picky lol
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Iโve always wondered if these two are now WCP?
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Iโve always wondered if these two are now WCP? WCP is a โwell knownโ artist that this board would know.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 22:02:18 GMT 1, Iโve always wondered if these two are now WCP? WCP is a โwell knownโ artist that this board would know.
who?
tell me i won't snitch (much)
Iโve always wondered if these two are now WCP? WCP is a โwell knownโ artist that this board would know. who? tell me i won't snitch (much)
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 22:06:48 GMT 1, i agree with this. some artists i like i am starting to back away from because they are starting to look like a 'one-trick pony' which scares me a bit....really hoping to see some progress to the creative and not just a variation of the same thing.ย
this is why i shied from the latest paul insect
i agree with this. some artists i like i am starting to back away from because they are starting to look like a 'one-trick pony' which scares me a bit....really hoping to see some progress to the creative and not just a variation of the same thing.ย this is why i shied from the latest paul insect
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 22:45:07 GMT 1, who? tell me i won't snitch (much) Thought it was common knowledge
Not to me
who? tell me i won't snitch (much) Thought it was common knowledge Not to me
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Jalouse Rosemont on Jan 10, 2019 22:46:04 GMT 1, who? tell me i won't snitch (much) Thought it was common knowledge I haven't the foggiest....
who? tell me i won't snitch (much) Thought it was common knowledge I haven't the foggiest....
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by iamzero on Jan 10, 2019 22:52:14 GMT 1, Or me...
Or me...
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by mojo on Jan 10, 2019 23:08:52 GMT 1, even I don't know
even I don't know
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Coach on Jan 10, 2019 23:15:35 GMT 1,
Nor me.
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Anyone else getting bored by urban art?, by Charlesworth on Jan 10, 2019 23:35:53 GMT 1, Spill the beans
Spill the beans
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