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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by lee3 on Mar 19, 2009 19:30:17 GMT 1, >>>Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces<<<
IMO, he had the developed skill to draw anything perfectly. Beyond that I believe he had the best command of color of any artist that I've ever seen. He had the foundation with the basics to stretch his work and cherish everything, mistakes and all. We'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
>>>Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces<<<
IMO, he had the developed skill to draw anything perfectly. Beyond that I believe he had the best command of color of any artist that I've ever seen. He had the foundation with the basics to stretch his work and cherish everything, mistakes and all. We'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by slowmo on Mar 19, 2009 19:31:38 GMT 1, no problem, thats the beauty of it all
no problem, thats the beauty of it all
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 19, 2009 19:45:46 GMT 1, >>>Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces<<< IMO, he had the developed skill to draw anything perfectly. Beyond that I believe he had the best command of color of any artist that I've ever seen. He had the foundation with the basics to stretch his work and cherish everything, mistakes and all. We'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Warhol had the best command of colour of any artist? Your not looking at Basquait then Wiz ? Take a look at the Renaissance and baroque periods
>>>Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces<<< IMO, he had the developed skill to draw anything perfectly. Beyond that I believe he had the best command of color of any artist that I've ever seen. He had the foundation with the basics to stretch his work and cherish everything, mistakes and all. We'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. Warhol had the best command of colour of any artist? Your not looking at Basquait then Wiz ? Take a look at the Renaissance and baroque periods
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 19, 2009 19:48:59 GMT 1, How you mean TGA?, Not looking at Basquiat?.
How you mean TGA?, Not looking at Basquiat?.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 19, 2009 19:50:43 GMT 1, I cant see what those images do to dispel the point lee. Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces, I agree that the strength lies in the body of work, replaying and remixing common images which individually would do nothing. I would say that Richard Hamilton, a contemporary, was far better at striking individual pieces, so respectfully agree with James about not being struck by an individual Warhol piece MODIFY - to shoot myself in the foot this warhol image stopped me dead and blows my argument away, completely forgot about it
I'll also try to forget you said Hamilton was better at striking individual pieces.When?
I cant see what those images do to dispel the point lee. Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces, I agree that the strength lies in the body of work, replaying and remixing common images which individually would do nothing. I would say that Richard Hamilton, a contemporary, was far better at striking individual pieces, so respectfully agree with James about not being struck by an individual Warhol piece MODIFY - to shoot myself in the foot this warhol image stopped me dead and blows my argument away, completely forgot about it I'll also try to forget you said Hamilton was better at striking individual pieces.When?
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 19, 2009 19:56:09 GMT 1,
Sorry WIZ quoted lee3 thinking it was you.
Sorry WIZ quoted lee3 thinking it was you.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 19, 2009 19:57:09 GMT 1, Phew! panic over, i have just been re reading my posts to see where i had cocked up haha.
Phew! panic over, i have just been re reading my posts to see where i had cocked up haha.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by sfdoddsy on Mar 20, 2009 0:08:36 GMT 1, There was a very interesting review of Fairey's latest show in the New York Times which encapsulates much of what I feel about Banksy's work too. Well worth a read:
www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/arts/design/18fair.html?ref=design
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 20, 2009 0:52:38 GMT 1, I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!.
I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 1:08:35 GMT 1, lee3 don't feel sorry for me becuase I've stood in front of Gold Marilyn and not been completely awestruck. It's only because I've stood in front of these as well...
Yeh but have you stood in front of one of these? ;D
lee3 don't feel sorry for me becuase I've stood in front of Gold Marilyn and not been completely awestruck. It's only because I've stood in front of these as well... Yeh but have you stood in front of one of these? ;D
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by sfdoddsy on Mar 20, 2009 1:12:47 GMT 1, The Picasso and the Matisse for mine.
The Picasso and the Matisse for mine.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 1:18:43 GMT 1, I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!.
Wiz your talking Pollock's ;D , I would second that choice wiz, although i would love the Picasso too . These was a great film on a few weeks ago about Pollock, i recommend you watch it, if you have not already.
I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!. Wiz your talking Pollock's ;D , I would second that choice wiz, although i would love the Picasso too . These was a great film on a few weeks ago about Pollock, i recommend you watch it, if you have not already.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 20, 2009 1:22:36 GMT 1, Wasnt Carry on Painting was it?, i cant see a Matisse? is it as im on Macs here???.
Wasnt Carry on Painting was it?, i cant see a Matisse? is it as im on Macs here???.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by skelly on Mar 20, 2009 1:36:33 GMT 1, Mao at the metropolitan is a pretty striking piece as well as the camo self portrait..some great Warhols over there.
Question: Where near NYC can one view some big Basquiats? I have only seen one in the flesh
Mao at the metropolitan is a pretty striking piece as well as the camo self portrait..some great Warhols over there.
Question: Where near NYC can one view some big Basquiats? I have only seen one in the flesh
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 1:40:36 GMT 1, Wasnt Carry on Painting was it?, i cant see a Matisse? is it as im on Macs here???.
try this then wiz, can you see it?
Wasnt Carry on Painting was it?, i cant see a Matisse? is it as im on Macs here???. try this then wiz, can you see it?
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 20, 2009 2:15:43 GMT 1, Cheers Topboy yes i see it now, will stick with my choice though i reckon.
Cheers Topboy yes i see it now, will stick with my choice though i reckon.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 20, 2009 3:47:21 GMT 1, Yes topboy, having lived in Denmark Hill for a year I saw waaay too many of those
Yes topboy, having lived in Denmark Hill for a year I saw waaay too many of those
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by lee3 on Mar 20, 2009 4:09:17 GMT 1, Interesting and I love those works above more than you know. I just have a difficult time appreciating how one can categorize Warhol's career as spectacular with the caveat that there is no singular work of his that makes one pause in their tracks or words to that effect. The works shown above are for the most part very complex paintings and I, for one, have never subscribed to the notion that GREAT art needs to be complex for it to hit me in the soul though I recognize there are a large percentage of art lovers who do have that mindset. For me, it is often some of the simplest works in music, written, or visual art that have left the longest lasting and largest impact. The compositions above are knockouts (though i will confess that I am not as taken back by Les Demoiselles d'Avignon as I am with Girl before a mirror within the same Moma collection) and many of those paintings changed art history. So did Warhol and Red Disaster on the first page of this thread is every bit as spectacular *to me* as anything else posted here. At the same time I can appreciate the different strokes for different folks comment but there is not one artist that I can think of that I would say - "I love their work on the whole but nothing individually"
Interesting and I love those works above more than you know. I just have a difficult time appreciating how one can categorize Warhol's career as spectacular with the caveat that there is no singular work of his that makes one pause in their tracks or words to that effect. The works shown above are for the most part very complex paintings and I, for one, have never subscribed to the notion that GREAT art needs to be complex for it to hit me in the soul though I recognize there are a large percentage of art lovers who do have that mindset. For me, it is often some of the simplest works in music, written, or visual art that have left the longest lasting and largest impact. The compositions above are knockouts (though i will confess that I am not as taken back by Les Demoiselles d'Avignon as I am with Girl before a mirror within the same Moma collection) and many of those paintings changed art history. So did Warhol and Red Disaster on the first page of this thread is every bit as spectacular *to me* as anything else posted here. At the same time I can appreciate the different strokes for different folks comment but there is not one artist that I can think of that I would say - "I love their work on the whole but nothing individually"
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 20, 2009 6:52:48 GMT 1, I don't necessarily think that great works need to be heavily worked over either... this (as a singular work) blew me away the first time that I experienced it.
I don't necessarily think that great works need to be heavily worked over either... this (as a singular work) blew me away the first time that I experienced it.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 20, 2009 7:06:25 GMT 1, I guess the works I have been most profoundly impacted by upon my initial viewing of them have been works that exist on a grand scale, but express a profound intimacy. This does not mean however, that I only like artists that do this, in fact I often times prefer the opposite of it (Koons is one of my favorites).
Just to reiterate my reasoning behind being personally "awestruck" by individual works. The statement above does lend itself to me liking "heavily worked" large canvases, but at the same time Christo fits into the requirements just fine as well.
I guess the works I have been most profoundly impacted by upon my initial viewing of them have been works that exist on a grand scale, but express a profound intimacy. This does not mean however, that I only like artists that do this, in fact I often times prefer the opposite of it (Koons is one of my favorites). Just to reiterate my reasoning behind being personally "awestruck" by individual works. The statement above does lend itself to me liking "heavily worked" large canvases, but at the same time Christo fits into the requirements just fine as well.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by raiden on Mar 20, 2009 7:45:47 GMT 1, First, I should stress ... apples and oranges comparisons!!! Warhol v. Basquiat v. Banksy... Each are unbelievably brilliant in their own right and I've been awestruck by each of their pieces in a different way.
Starting with Basquiat... The primitivism, the unbelievable amount of emotion and depth in the works... You really have to see some large Basquiats in person to really appreciate them. Much like Pollack, you really can't get the full scope till you're staring at it in the flesh. What makes them amazing is the richness of the colours, the thickness of the paint. They have a vibrancy that is lost when you're looking at them on a screen or in a book. You can't reproduce that on a screen or in a book. Plus, they seem so haunting.
Many Banksy images lend themselves to the modern internet age. The simple two color stencil thing translates better to the computer screen than more complex oil brush work. Nevertheless, many Banksy street pieces blow me away... if only because he had the balls to attempt them and because of the context of the work.
Plus, don't discount that Banksy is playing with so many mediums - Pet Stores??? Much of his art is so subversive, I find it hard to comprehend the more dismissive comments about Banksy v. Basquiat.
Frankly, Basquiat works tend to be more enigmatically profound while Bansky works tend to be more drolly, intellectually, and subversively profound.
Lastly, Warhol ... its pop art. As pop art, its supposed to be overtly palatable, consequently, when you consume a Warhol image, you're more or less supposed to not have the same experience as taking in "Guernica."
First, I should stress ... apples and oranges comparisons!!! Warhol v. Basquiat v. Banksy... Each are unbelievably brilliant in their own right and I've been awestruck by each of their pieces in a different way.
Starting with Basquiat... The primitivism, the unbelievable amount of emotion and depth in the works... You really have to see some large Basquiats in person to really appreciate them. Much like Pollack, you really can't get the full scope till you're staring at it in the flesh. What makes them amazing is the richness of the colours, the thickness of the paint. They have a vibrancy that is lost when you're looking at them on a screen or in a book. You can't reproduce that on a screen or in a book. Plus, they seem so haunting.
Many Banksy images lend themselves to the modern internet age. The simple two color stencil thing translates better to the computer screen than more complex oil brush work. Nevertheless, many Banksy street pieces blow me away... if only because he had the balls to attempt them and because of the context of the work.
Plus, don't discount that Banksy is playing with so many mediums - Pet Stores??? Much of his art is so subversive, I find it hard to comprehend the more dismissive comments about Banksy v. Basquiat.
Frankly, Basquiat works tend to be more enigmatically profound while Bansky works tend to be more drolly, intellectually, and subversively profound.
Lastly, Warhol ... its pop art. As pop art, its supposed to be overtly palatable, consequently, when you consume a Warhol image, you're more or less supposed to not have the same experience as taking in "Guernica."
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 20, 2009 11:00:30 GMT 1, I don't necessarily think that great works need to be heavily worked over either... this (as a singular work) blew me away the first time that I experienced it.
Sorry for this, but imo Cristo is crap.Took the idea from Man Ray
I don't necessarily think that great works need to be heavily worked over either... this (as a singular work) blew me away the first time that I experienced it. Sorry for this, but imo Cristo is crap.Took the idea from Man Ray
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by mose on Mar 20, 2009 12:12:23 GMT 1, Sorry for this, but imo Cristo is crap.Took the idea from Man Ray
I apologize if I am displaying my ignorance, but I always thought the idea was based on the gates associated with Shinto shrings.
Sorry for this, but imo Cristo is crap.Took the idea from Man Ray I apologize if I am displaying my ignorance, but I always thought the idea was based on the gates associated with Shinto shrings.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 20, 2009 16:10:02 GMT 1, I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!.
Wiz your choice of Jack the Dripper and David are very interesting did you know that. Their both examples of propaganda art. All Davids work up until the Reign of Terror was solely for the purpose of hastening the revolution of 1789 and old Jack pieces of abstract expressionism achieved international acclaim during the cold war of the 50s when the CIA hijacked the movement to oppose Eastern Bloc communism. Pollocks work was especially seen as equating to a symbol of the American dream. You should get rid of that policeman's helmet, i don't think you'd make a very good one. OR would you?
for me I'd take the Matisse
I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!. Wiz your choice of Jack the Dripper and David are very interesting did you know that. Their both examples of propaganda art. All Davids work up until the Reign of Terror was solely for the purpose of hastening the revolution of 1789 and old Jack pieces of abstract expressionism achieved international acclaim during the cold war of the 50s when the CIA hijacked the movement to oppose Eastern Bloc communism. Pollocks work was especially seen as equating to a symbol of the American dream. You should get rid of that policeman's helmet, i don't think you'd make a very good one. OR would you? for me I'd take the Matisse
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 20, 2009 16:18:54 GMT 1, Sorry for this, but imo Cristo is crap.Took the idea from Man Ray I apologize if I am displaying my ignorance, but I always thought the idea was based on the gates associated with Shinto shrings.
That piece may well be mose. but all that building rapping stuff was first explored by man ray Which Christo well knows its like the Pollock Drip painting again not he idea Max Ernst told him to do it .Don't believe the film POLLOCK with Ed Harris where he just happens to find the formula by sheer chance. Another example of American propaganda
Sorry for this, but imo Cristo is crap.Took the idea from Man Ray I apologize if I am displaying my ignorance, but I always thought the idea was based on the gates associated with Shinto shrings. That piece may well be mose. but all that building rapping stuff was first explored by man ray Which Christo well knows its like the Pollock Drip painting again not he idea Max Ernst told him to do it .Don't believe the film POLLOCK with Ed Harris where he just happens to find the formula by sheer chance. Another example of American propaganda
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:24:37 GMT 1, lee3 don't feel sorry for me becuase I've stood in front of Gold Marilyn and not been completely awestruck. It's only because I've stood in front of these as well... Yeh but have you stood in front of one of these? ;D
ahh the 230 bus stops right outside my house
lee3 don't feel sorry for me becuase I've stood in front of Gold Marilyn and not been completely awestruck. It's only because I've stood in front of these as well... Yeh but have you stood in front of one of these? ;D ahh the 230 bus stops right outside my house
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 20, 2009 16:31:10 GMT 1, I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!. Wiz your choice of Jack the Dripper and David are very interesting did you know that. Their both examples of propaganda art. All Davids work up until the Reign of Terror was solely for the purpose of hastening the revolution of 1789 and old Jack pieces of abstract expressionism achieved international acclaim during the cold war of the 50s when the CIA hijacked the movement to oppose Eastern Bloc communism. Pollocks work was especially seen as equating to a symbol of the American dream. You should get rid of that policeman's helmet, i don't think you'd make a very good one. OR would you? for me I'd take the Matisse
, cold baths indeed
I will take the Pollock and the David thank you v much!. Wiz your choice of Jack the Dripper and David are very interesting did you know that. Their both examples of propaganda art. All Davids work up until the Reign of Terror was solely for the purpose of hastening the revolution of 1789 and old Jack pieces of abstract expressionism achieved international acclaim during the cold war of the 50s when the CIA hijacked the movement to oppose Eastern Bloc communism. Pollocks work was especially seen as equating to a symbol of the American dream. You should get rid of that policeman's helmet, i don't think you'd make a very good one. OR would you? for me I'd take the Matisse , cold baths indeed
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by sputnikeye on Mar 20, 2009 17:20:17 GMT 1, hey great architect, i'd never heard about pollack learning that method through max ernst, was that by them meeting through peggy g or max ernst's interest in native american art?
hey great architect, i'd never heard about pollack learning that method through max ernst, was that by them meeting through peggy g or max ernst's interest in native american art?
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Francis on Mar 20, 2009 18:20:42 GMT 1, I think if Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years, you can compare him to Banksy
I think if Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years, you can compare him to Banksy
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