Poly Mindset
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High priced Giclees, by Poly Mindset on Feb 2, 2015 0:06:43 GMT 1, Been noticing more galleries putting out editions of high priced giclees, what's up with that? Just got an email from Hang Up Gallery with new giclees by Dave White and Magnus Gjoen asking 700 pounds which is $1057. Forgive me and please correct me if I'm wrong about this, but aren't giclees just high resolution photos put into a computer which generates high resolution images which are then printed with a high resolution inkjet printer. Nothing against the artists who originally painted the picture, but there's no printing or silkscreening skills needed in this process. My point being, what is the profit margin on a high priced giclee? This is why I don't do giclees. And certainly not for $1000.
Been noticing more galleries putting out editions of high priced giclees, what's up with that? Just got an email from Hang Up Gallery with new giclees by Dave White and Magnus Gjoen asking 700 pounds which is $1057. Forgive me and please correct me if I'm wrong about this, but aren't giclees just high resolution photos put into a computer which generates high resolution images which are then printed with a high resolution inkjet printer. Nothing against the artists who originally painted the picture, but there's no printing or silkscreening skills needed in this process. My point being, what is the profit margin on a high priced giclee? This is why I don't do giclees. And certainly not for $1000.
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High priced Giclees, by alittle on Feb 2, 2015 0:10:31 GMT 1, For the best examples, there is far more to the process than you think. That being said, I have no interest in collecting them.
For the best examples, there is far more to the process than you think. That being said, I have no interest in collecting them.
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High priced Giclees, by kbfrombk on Feb 2, 2015 0:12:22 GMT 1, ====>> Chevrier thread (sry Fะฏ)
====>> Chevrier thread (sry Fะฏ)
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High priced Giclees, by thomasmer on Feb 2, 2015 2:21:13 GMT 1, Yeah, they're horrible, not cheap to produce either, but easy, and lazy.
Yeah, they're horrible, not cheap to produce either, but easy, and lazy.
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High priced Giclees, by Gard on Feb 2, 2015 18:28:04 GMT 1, I don't mind giclee. The quality of new giclees are close to screen printing and they keep on getting better. As some say there's a few things you can't do with screen printing and I hope that the artists that uses this method realise that and use it to their advantage. Also I've seen a few examples of expensive artists putting out giclees at a much lower price than their screen prints.
I don't mind giclee. The quality of new giclees are close to screen printing and they keep on getting better. As some say there's a few things you can't do with screen printing and I hope that the artists that uses this method realise that and use it to their advantage. Also I've seen a few examples of expensive artists putting out giclees at a much lower price than their screen prints.
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High priced Giclees, by dashboll on Feb 2, 2015 18:34:06 GMT 1, Bought a giclee last year from Tim oliveria, quality is very good.
Saying that tho, I'm a screen nut and much prefer the thought that something has been pulled, but even then I suppose you can automate a lot of that on carousels.
Love my eine exciting, couple of registration errors but like that, feels more authentic to me
Bought a giclee last year from Tim oliveria, quality is very good.
Saying that tho, I'm a screen nut and much prefer the thought that something has been pulled, but even then I suppose you can automate a lot of that on carousels.
Love my eine exciting, couple of registration errors but like that, feels more authentic to me
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High priced Giclees, by Wilson on Feb 2, 2015 18:37:27 GMT 1, I was thinking of buying an Eine giclee print with hand screen printed gloss enamel & hand applied glitter. What are your thoughts on that? Seems to be a fair amount of additional work.
I was thinking of buying an Eine giclee print with hand screen printed gloss enamel & hand applied glitter. What are your thoughts on that? Seems to be a fair amount of additional work.
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High priced Giclees, by dashboll on Feb 2, 2015 18:40:45 GMT 1, I suppose it's like the conversations of 10 years ago about digital vs film camera. If you love a piece Wilson it doesn't really matter how it's produced. I'd just feel more of an emotional tie to something thats been created by hand.
I suppose it's like the conversations of 10 years ago about digital vs film camera. If you love a piece Wilson it doesn't really matter how it's produced. I'd just feel more of an emotional tie to something thats been created by hand.
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High priced Giclees, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 18:45:18 GMT 1, my 2 cents... if something can be translated to a manual medium (screen print, linocut, etching etc). then it should be. Some some artists' work would make that too cost prohibitive.
Take Conor Harrington - he had a few releases last year. The one that was "simple" enough for a screen print, was, and the more "complicated" images were released as glicees.
The recent Ian Francis glicees from Laz are beautiful. Very, very high quality. Definitely not something that could be done on a cheap ink-jet.
my 2 cents... if something can be translated to a manual medium (screen print, linocut, etching etc). then it should be. Some some artists' work would make that too cost prohibitive.
Take Conor Harrington - he had a few releases last year. The one that was "simple" enough for a screen print, was, and the more "complicated" images were released as glicees.
The recent Ian Francis glicees from Laz are beautiful. Very, very high quality. Definitely not something that could be done on a cheap ink-jet.
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alittle
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High priced Giclees, by alittle on Feb 2, 2015 18:46:08 GMT 1, I think in many cases, particularly with paintings, it is the only cost effective means of reproducing the image. Sure, you could do 100+ screens to achieve the same effect, but it is going to be cost prohibitive. I think some CMYK screen prints are a reasonable substitute, such as the Conor Harrington prints put out by BLK/MRKT, however, there are also many very poor examples.
I think in many cases, particularly with paintings, it is the only cost effective means of reproducing the image. Sure, you could do 100+ screens to achieve the same effect, but it is going to be cost prohibitive. I think some CMYK screen prints are a reasonable substitute, such as the Conor Harrington prints put out by BLK/MRKT, however, there are also many very poor examples.
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High priced Giclees, by Black Apple Art on Feb 2, 2015 18:53:53 GMT 1, I suppose it's like the conversations of 10 years ago about digital vs film camera. If you love a piece Wilson it doesn't really matter how it's produced. I'd just feel more of an emotional tie to something thats been created by hand. I think comparing hand screened or painted art vs inkjet print to film vs digital photography is a bit of a stretch. When one removes any human skill and or effort form the creation process it definitely takes something away from the end result. I think a more accurate comparison might be hand carved sculpture vs 3D printed item.
I suppose it's like the conversations of 10 years ago about digital vs film camera. If you love a piece Wilson it doesn't really matter how it's produced. I'd just feel more of an emotional tie to something thats been created by hand. I think comparing hand screened or painted art vs inkjet print to film vs digital photography is a bit of a stretch. When one removes any human skill and or effort form the creation process it definitely takes something away from the end result. I think a more accurate comparison might be hand carved sculpture vs 3D printed item.
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Poly Mindset
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High priced Giclees, by Poly Mindset on Feb 2, 2015 18:58:00 GMT 1, I think in many cases, particularly with paintings, it is the only cost effective means of reproducing the image. Sure, you could do 100+ screens to achieve the same effect, but it is going to be cost prohibitive. I think some CMYK screen prints are a reasonable substitute, such as the Conor Harrington prints put out by BLK/MRKT, however, there are also many very poor examples. What I've read about giclees is that they all don't have to be produced at once so it's more cost effective for the artist or gallery. They can print them as they sell, so if it's a dud and nobody's buying it then they don't lose a large investment. On the other hand, it can be said that the release is an edition of let's say 50 but when those 50 sell they always have the ability to print more. Whereas with a screen print the screens are usually destroyed after the edition is printed.
I think in many cases, particularly with paintings, it is the only cost effective means of reproducing the image. Sure, you could do 100+ screens to achieve the same effect, but it is going to be cost prohibitive. I think some CMYK screen prints are a reasonable substitute, such as the Conor Harrington prints put out by BLK/MRKT, however, there are also many very poor examples. What I've read about giclees is that they all don't have to be produced at once so it's more cost effective for the artist or gallery. They can print them as they sell, so if it's a dud and nobody's buying it then they don't lose a large investment. On the other hand, it can be said that the release is an edition of let's say 50 but when those 50 sell they always have the ability to print more. Whereas with a screen print the screens are usually destroyed after the edition is printed.
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High priced Giclees, by dashboll on Feb 2, 2015 19:03:19 GMT 1, I suppose it's like the conversations of 10 years ago about digital vs film camera. If you love a piece Wilson it doesn't really matter how it's produced. I'd just feel more of an emotional tie to something thats been created by hand. I think comparing hand screened or painted art vs inkjet print to film vs digital photographyย is a bit of a stretch. When one removes any human skill and or effort form the creation process it definitely takes something away from the end result. ย I think a more accurate comparison might be hand carved sculpture vs 3D printed item. ย
Sorry, only typed half of what I was thinking, been one of those days.... Meant printing a digital print using Photoshop vs handprinting a film print in a darkroom. There we go, better analogy, maybe tomorrow will be a better day!
I suppose it's like the conversations of 10 years ago about digital vs film camera. If you love a piece Wilson it doesn't really matter how it's produced. I'd just feel more of an emotional tie to something thats been created by hand. I think comparing hand screened or painted art vs inkjet print to film vs digital photographyย is a bit of a stretch. When one removes any human skill and or effort form the creation process it definitely takes something away from the end result. ย I think a more accurate comparison might be hand carved sculpture vs 3D printed item. ย Sorry, only typed half of what I was thinking, been one of those days.... Meant printing a digital print using Photoshop vs handprinting a film print in a darkroom. There we go, better analogy, maybe tomorrow will be a better day!
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High priced Giclees, by Aza on Feb 2, 2015 20:26:03 GMT 1, I am in the process of wanting to screen print an image. For my image it looks like it would cost about ยฃ300 to get the screens made, then about ยฃ15 per print if I commit to 100. However I only want a handful for myself.
If I print it giclee it will be about ยฃ30 a print, with no up front costs.
Shame really.
I am in the process of wanting to screen print an image. For my image it looks like it would cost about ยฃ300 to get the screens made, then about ยฃ15 per print if I commit to 100. However I only want a handful for myself.
If I print it giclee it will be about ยฃ30 a print, with no up front costs.
Shame really.
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High priced Giclees, by Stoko on Feb 3, 2015 19:22:12 GMT 1, Thats the OP's point - established galleries can knock out gicless for about ยฃ20 each, whereas screen prints are a hell of a lot more to invest in. And that is seldom reflected in the cost which is a shame
Thats the OP's point - established galleries can knock out gicless for about ยฃ20 each, whereas screen prints are a hell of a lot more to invest in. And that is seldom reflected in the cost which is a shame
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High priced Giclees, by Aza on Feb 3, 2015 19:29:47 GMT 1, I by far prefer screenprints, intaglios etc..but in saying that, it would be impossible to get a screened, realistic reproduction of say Micallef's 21st Century Love which I love seeing on my wall. Though I paid about 300 quid for that and wouldn't pay a grand for a giclee. On a side note it is much cheaper for me to produce a screenprint than a giclee, printing high quality giclees here in Belfast would cost about 5 times as much which is mental. #uppascreenprints That seems crazy. How much is a giclee then? And also how much are screen prints to produce?
I by far prefer screenprints, intaglios etc..but in saying that, it would be impossible to get a screened, realistic reproduction of say Micallef's 21st Century Love which I love seeing on my wall. Though I paid about 300 quid for that and wouldn't pay a grand for a giclee. On a side note it is much cheaper for me to produce a screenprint than a giclee, printing high quality giclees here in Belfast would cost about 5 times as much which is mental. #uppascreenprints That seems crazy. How much is a giclee then? And also how much are screen prints to produce?
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High priced Giclees, by Poly Mindset on Feb 3, 2015 19:34:23 GMT 1, Thats the OP's point - established galleries can knock out gicless for about ยฃ20 each, whereas screen prints are a hell of a lot more to invest in. And that is seldom reflected in the cost which is a shame Booooom!!! Somebody gets it. Let me reiterate the question, what is the profit margin on these high priced giclees?
Thats the OP's point - established galleries can knock out gicless for about ยฃ20 each, whereas screen prints are a hell of a lot more to invest in. And that is seldom reflected in the cost which is a shame Booooom!!! Somebody gets it. Let me reiterate the question, what is the profit margin on these high priced giclees?
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High priced Giclees, by Aza on Feb 3, 2015 19:38:59 GMT 1, Well I suppose it depends. On my 'rough estimate' it would cost about ยฃ18 each for 100 screen prints, and that would be a 10 colour print. For giclee the cost would be ยฃ25 per print.
The benefit of giclee, money wise, is that it requires no upfront costs and you don't have to order in bulk, leaving potential unsold stock.
Well I suppose it depends. On my 'rough estimate' it would cost about ยฃ18 each for 100 screen prints, and that would be a 10 colour print. For giclee the cost would be ยฃ25 per print.
The benefit of giclee, money wise, is that it requires no upfront costs and you don't have to order in bulk, leaving potential unsold stock.
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High priced Giclees, by Aza on Feb 3, 2015 21:02:02 GMT 1, Ah well that is different if you are printing yourself! Can you print mine please?
Ah well that is different if you are printing yourself! Can you print mine please?
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High priced Giclees, by maddoghoek100 on Feb 3, 2015 21:32:00 GMT 1, well your screen print calc seems to value your time at 0, and the time difference is a key difference between giclee and screen printing. That said 38 GBP wholesale on giclee sounds high. Retail on 24x36 giclees is less than USD40 in any kind of reasonable volume. Not sure what printer you are using but something like an epson 9880 should be way more economical than that on a price per sq foot. that said if you are amortizing the cost of the printer across the prints maybe you would be that high if you were a mid volume shop.
i would mention that the color correction on a high quality giclee is an art in itself. there is a fair number of colors that are not printable, so capturing the essence of the painting with the available color pallet is a skill. It is also extremely noticeable when done poorly.
most people also leave out digital C prints in the discussion which is a high quality photographic process, but often confused with giclee
putting all of that aside, if gallery retail on a print of any kind is USD $1000, the elements in the price are probably something like: 10% time materials, 5% size premium, 5% edition size premium, 80% artist name. No multiple within reason would have production costs per unit of $100+ with some extremely rare exceptions. If you have faith that the edition will not be reproduced then it doe snot matter what the medium is.
For a screenprint I just pay for a sheet of paper, some paint, printing medium and maybe some retarder which amounts to probably about 8 quid for a print without too many layers. For a 70cm x 50cm Giclee over here you are talking about 38 pounds. I suppose there are other costs involved in screenprinting including membership, screen stripper and degreaser and the time element which can be quite a bit depending on the image but yeah giclees are more undoubtedly more expensive regardless. Obviously not for the people who own the printers (there probably cost round about the same to print at source) but with screenprinting I don't pay middlemen, simply buy the art supplies.
well your screen print calc seems to value your time at 0, and the time difference is a key difference between giclee and screen printing. That said 38 GBP wholesale on giclee sounds high. Retail on 24x36 giclees is less than USD40 in any kind of reasonable volume. Not sure what printer you are using but something like an epson 9880 should be way more economical than that on a price per sq foot. that said if you are amortizing the cost of the printer across the prints maybe you would be that high if you were a mid volume shop. i would mention that the color correction on a high quality giclee is an art in itself. there is a fair number of colors that are not printable, so capturing the essence of the painting with the available color pallet is a skill. It is also extremely noticeable when done poorly. most people also leave out digital C prints in the discussion which is a high quality photographic process, but often confused with giclee putting all of that aside, if gallery retail on a print of any kind is USD $1000, the elements in the price are probably something like: 10% time materials, 5% size premium, 5% edition size premium, 80% artist name. No multiple within reason would have production costs per unit of $100+ with some extremely rare exceptions. If you have faith that the edition will not be reproduced then it doe snot matter what the medium is. For a screenprint I just pay for a sheet of paper, some paint, printing medium and maybe some retarder which amounts to probably about 8 quid for a print without too many layers. For a 70cm x 50cm Giclee over here you are talking about 38 pounds. I suppose there are other costs involved in screenprinting including membership, screen stripper and degreaser and the time element which can be quite a bit depending on the image but yeah giclees are more undoubtedly more expensive regardless. Obviously not for the people who own the printers (there probably cost round about the same to print at source) but with screenprinting I don't pay middlemen, simply buy the art supplies.
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High priced Giclees, by dazarino on Feb 3, 2015 22:03:08 GMT 1, I'm sure if banksy released a giclee print everyone on here would try and buy one. Nothing wrong with giclee at all. The ink is top quality. To be honest I'm more interested in the image,editions and pieces signed by the artist over what type of printing process they use.
I'm sure if banksy released a giclee print everyone on here would try and buy one. Nothing wrong with giclee at all. The ink is top quality. To be honest I'm more interested in the image,editions and pieces signed by the artist over what type of printing process they use.
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High priced Giclees, by maddoghoek100 on Feb 3, 2015 22:50:37 GMT 1, print making is an art all in itself, so the medium can often be a key element in appreciating the art. If you lust like the image you are only appreciating one level of the overall presentation. everyone should want to understand how the piece was made. if the print making process was we scanned it and pressed print the end product is likely not very good. the thought that went into translating an original work into a multiple is interesting.
- if it is screenprinted, understanding the paper selection, separations, and color overlaps is interesting. there is an art to making 4 colors look like 24, with color overlaps, split fountain fades, etc. - with giclee, understanding the color correction, and digital enhancements is interesting
ill give an example. i like Martin Wittfooth. I think his paintings are fantastic. I think until recently his prints have been subpar, overly dark, and victim to not correcting blues sufficiently (cobalt blue is notoriously difficult to print, and hugely popular with artists). His recent prints done through static medium in LA have been exceptional and are the first i have seen translate the color depth and texture in a way that makes me want to purchase a print.
I'm sure if banksy released a giclee print everyone on here would try and buy one. Nothing wrong with giclee at all. The ink is top quality. To be honest I'm more interested in the image,editions and pieces signed by the artist over what type of printing process they use.
print making is an art all in itself, so the medium can often be a key element in appreciating the art. If you lust like the image you are only appreciating one level of the overall presentation. everyone should want to understand how the piece was made. if the print making process was we scanned it and pressed print the end product is likely not very good. the thought that went into translating an original work into a multiple is interesting. - if it is screenprinted, understanding the paper selection, separations, and color overlaps is interesting. there is an art to making 4 colors look like 24, with color overlaps, split fountain fades, etc. - with giclee, understanding the color correction, and digital enhancements is interesting ill give an example. i like Martin Wittfooth. I think his paintings are fantastic. I think until recently his prints have been subpar, overly dark, and victim to not correcting blues sufficiently (cobalt blue is notoriously difficult to print, and hugely popular with artists). His recent prints done through static medium in LA have been exceptional and are the first i have seen translate the color depth and texture in a way that makes me want to purchase a print. I'm sure if banksy released a giclee print everyone on here would try and buy one. Nothing wrong with giclee at all. The ink is top quality. To be honest I'm more interested in the image,editions and pieces signed by the artist over what type of printing process they use.
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High priced Giclees, by ABC on Feb 3, 2015 23:11:58 GMT 1, It's hard to reproduce some images so Giclee is sometimes the only way ahead. That said I have a 98 colour screen print from Michael Adams an RCA artist from the Seychelles and it's bloody amazing, easily one of my favourite peices of art I have ever owned. His wife told me they had taken two years to get right. His best and biggest print is a 128 colour screen print but that was pretty expensive.
It's hard to reproduce some images so Giclee is sometimes the only way ahead. That said I have a 98 colour screen print from Michael Adams an RCA artist from the Seychelles and it's bloody amazing, easily one of my favourite peices of art I have ever owned. His wife told me they had taken two years to get right. His best and biggest print is a 128 colour screen print but that was pretty expensive.
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High priced Giclees, by Poly Mindset on Feb 3, 2015 23:38:02 GMT 1, It's hard to reproduce some images so Giclee is sometimes the only way ahead. That said I have a 98 colour screen print from Michael Adams an RCA artist from the Seychelles and it's bloody amazing, easily one of my favourite peices of art I have ever owned. His wife told me they had taken two years to get right. His best and biggest print is a 128 colour screen print but that was pretty expensive. Dude, please post a pic I would love to see a 98 color screen print and I'm sure others would too. Two years to get it right, that's what I'm talkin' bout. That is a print with a lot of effort into it and I could see someone paying good money for if they liked it and respecting the artist and the process even if they didn't. It's the same reason I can appreciate some of Faile's work, there are just layers and layers of screen work.
It's hard to reproduce some images so Giclee is sometimes the only way ahead. That said I have a 98 colour screen print from Michael Adams an RCA artist from the Seychelles and it's bloody amazing, easily one of my favourite peices of art I have ever owned. His wife told me they had taken two years to get right. His best and biggest print is a 128 colour screen print but that was pretty expensive. Dude, please post a pic I would love to see a 98 color screen print and I'm sure others would too. Two years to get it right, that's what I'm talkin' bout. That is a print with a lot of effort into it and I could see someone paying good money for if they liked it and respecting the artist and the process even if they didn't. It's the same reason I can appreciate some of Faile's work, there are just layers and layers of screen work.
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High priced Giclees, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Feb 3, 2015 23:45:43 GMT 1, I like the effort gone into screen prints and when I first started collecting i didn't like giclees, but then i discovered Josh Keyes. I couldn't afford his OG's and now have my two favourite images on my walls. So for me if you love the image the process doesn't matter.
I like the effort gone into screen prints and when I first started collecting i didn't like giclees, but then i discovered Josh Keyes. I couldn't afford his OG's and now have my two favourite images on my walls. So for me if you love the image the process doesn't matter.
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High priced Giclees, by maddoghoek100 on Feb 4, 2015 0:47:10 GMT 1, i think consumers are smarter than this. I also think you underestimate the work required to do giclee well. To your point any person with very limited training can produce a low quality giclee. Just like any person COULD do your taxes or do dental work, or more on topic of digital color correction and compositing do the visual effects work in a major motion picture. If you don't care if it is done well, you can get all kinds of things done really cheap. Plenty of galleries and artist release straight cash grab prints. and many people buy them.
A much smaller group have embraced giclee as a high quality reproduction medium for the digital age. Josh Keyes prints were mentioned above. They are EXCEPTIONAL editioned version of original work. A lot of work goes into producing those prints at PixelPoint, and they should be given some credit for their artistry and contribution. The classic example is the Stampede print. The original painting is 60"x120", too big to fit on any scanner, and too big to photograph in a single shot without distortion. So the work to photograph, composite, and color correct was enormous, and it shows in the final print.
Just to be clear i am not pro giclee or anti giclee, i am pro anything done well with the care and attention it deserves and anti things done poorly (including screenprints with bad registration or poor color separations)
It's easy money. You take a photo of an existing artwork, color correct it and print it out. You need the right equipment and someone who knows how to use it, but any monkey could use it with minimal training. It's nothing more than an expensive poster. It is much harder to spend weeks/months/years mastering a printmaking technique and creating an actual work of art.
i think consumers are smarter than this. I also think you underestimate the work required to do giclee well. To your point any person with very limited training can produce a low quality giclee. Just like any person COULD do your taxes or do dental work, or more on topic of digital color correction and compositing do the visual effects work in a major motion picture. If you don't care if it is done well, you can get all kinds of things done really cheap. Plenty of galleries and artist release straight cash grab prints. and many people buy them. A much smaller group have embraced giclee as a high quality reproduction medium for the digital age. Josh Keyes prints were mentioned above. They are EXCEPTIONAL editioned version of original work. A lot of work goes into producing those prints at PixelPoint, and they should be given some credit for their artistry and contribution. The classic example is the Stampede print. The original painting is 60"x120", too big to fit on any scanner, and too big to photograph in a single shot without distortion. So the work to photograph, composite, and color correct was enormous, and it shows in the final print. Just to be clear i am not pro giclee or anti giclee, i am pro anything done well with the care and attention it deserves and anti things done poorly (including screenprints with bad registration or poor color separations) It's easy money. You take a photo of an existing artwork, color correct it and print it out. You need the right equipment and someone who knows how to use it, but any monkey could use it with minimal training. It's nothing more than an expensive poster. It is much harder to spend weeks/months/years mastering a printmaking technique and creating an actual work of art.
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High priced Giclees, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 4:58:29 GMT 1, Giclees do allow those that can't delve into an original to have a piece in their home. The price is almost always reflective of their current market. So Dave white at 1000, while I don't like his work, seems about right.
there are artists out there in screen and Giclee that are charging unlawful amounts for their prints, and if the market for the originals doesn't reflect the edition size, then don't buy. There are many examples...
Giclees do allow those that can't delve into an original to have a piece in their home. The price is almost always reflective of their current market. So Dave white at 1000, while I don't like his work, seems about right.
there are artists out there in screen and Giclee that are charging unlawful amounts for their prints, and if the market for the originals doesn't reflect the edition size, then don't buy. There are many examples...
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Lunch Special
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High priced Giclees, by Lunch Special on Feb 4, 2015 6:46:22 GMT 1, To me the screen printing process is way more intimate. I believe the artist is able to be more involved from start to finish as its not just a reproduction of an original scaled up or down, but the actual artwork in itself being recreated. I myself try to stay away from buying giclees, my personal preference. I feel like im just buying an image form a file printed out and signed. For instance, no giclee could ever recreate the uniqeness of any faile print from let alone the 150 series but just imagine a giclee print of fashion chimps or scuba horse? It will never be same as receiving a print fresh from the artist, looking at the screens how they seamlessly blend over each other without care and the smell of new paint and inks exploding from the tube and then, it almost smells like teen spirit.
To me the screen printing process is way more intimate. I believe the artist is able to be more involved from start to finish as its not just a reproduction of an original scaled up or down, but the actual artwork in itself being recreated. I myself try to stay away from buying giclees, my personal preference. I feel like im just buying an image form a file printed out and signed. For instance, no giclee could ever recreate the uniqeness of any faile print from let alone the 150 series but just imagine a giclee print of fashion chimps or scuba horse? It will never be same as receiving a print fresh from the artist, looking at the screens how they seamlessly blend over each other without care and the smell of new paint and inks exploding from the tube and then, it almost smells like teen spirit.
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High priced Giclees, by maddoghoek100 on Feb 4, 2015 8:56:13 GMT 1, we can just agree to disagree then. im not in any way suggesting that the availability of pro-sumer printers and print on demand services has not created a glut of absolutely terrible prints on the market. It has. Anyone who pays good money for them is foolish and likely to be disappointed in their purchase. They have also muddied the definition of what a "giclee" is. It was created as a marketing term to describe a specific new high quality digital printing process but the term is used to describe almost any type of digital printing. Owning a cell phone with a camera does not make someone a "photographer" and it holds true that owning an Epson or HP does not make someone a "Print Maker".
It is interesting that the discussion started with a question that does show how much of a black box the process of generating a multiples is. My absolute favorite street artist does not hand cut stencils anymore, they use a lino cutter. I can only name a handful of folks still hand cutting rubylith for screen printing and stone lithography is exclusively an art novelty. Pulling screens has even moved toward automation in large volume shops. It also goes without saying that most painters no longer create their own pigments. So my point is there is technological advancement across the board and the technologies we are willing to accept will continue to evolve.
Should josh keyes do a woodcut...perhaps. His pencils are fantastic so we know he can work in monochrome. He has a Yale MFA, so i assume a some point he has done some print making, but the guy is a painter. Could he partner with a skilled engraver or printmaker to do something like that, probably. Would i buy it, absolutely. Would I buy a braddock tiles "giclee" print from any artist even to support charity, no way. I would rather give them $50 than to take the print. Poor color correction, too dark, and printed on flimsy 160 GSM Canson Mi-Tientes paper ON THE WRONG FREAKING SIDE. (but that is a different rant for another day).
i think consumers are smarter than this. I have a degree in printmaking, I used to work in a fine art offset lithography and screenprinting workshop and I also used to work in a place that had a giclee printer. I am not underestimating the work it takes to make a giclee, I'm pretty familiar with all processes.
I don't completely discount it, I've seen giclee / etching hybrids that were interesting. But generally speaking a giclee is an easy way out, often for people who don't know how to make a print and don't have the time or interest in learning but want to make money selling prints to fans. What I'd like to see is Josh Keyes do a woodcut instead of make a reproduction of something already done. Instead a giclee is a reproduction while just about every other method of printmaking creates an original image with idiosyncrasies unique to that medium. It's two philosophically different things, one with inherent artistic processes the other trying to imitate artistic processes that were already created.
we can just agree to disagree then. im not in any way suggesting that the availability of pro-sumer printers and print on demand services has not created a glut of absolutely terrible prints on the market. It has. Anyone who pays good money for them is foolish and likely to be disappointed in their purchase. They have also muddied the definition of what a "giclee" is. It was created as a marketing term to describe a specific new high quality digital printing process but the term is used to describe almost any type of digital printing. Owning a cell phone with a camera does not make someone a "photographer" and it holds true that owning an Epson or HP does not make someone a "Print Maker". It is interesting that the discussion started with a question that does show how much of a black box the process of generating a multiples is. My absolute favorite street artist does not hand cut stencils anymore, they use a lino cutter. I can only name a handful of folks still hand cutting rubylith for screen printing and stone lithography is exclusively an art novelty. Pulling screens has even moved toward automation in large volume shops. It also goes without saying that most painters no longer create their own pigments. So my point is there is technological advancement across the board and the technologies we are willing to accept will continue to evolve. Should josh keyes do a woodcut...perhaps. His pencils are fantastic so we know he can work in monochrome. He has a Yale MFA, so i assume a some point he has done some print making, but the guy is a painter. Could he partner with a skilled engraver or printmaker to do something like that, probably. Would i buy it, absolutely. Would I buy a braddock tiles "giclee" print from any artist even to support charity, no way. I would rather give them $50 than to take the print. Poor color correction, too dark, and printed on flimsy 160 GSM Canson Mi-Tientes paper ON THE WRONG FREAKING SIDE. (but that is a different rant for another day). i think consumers are smarter than this. I have a degree in printmaking, I used to work in a fine art offset lithography and screenprinting workshop and I also used to work in a place that had a giclee printer. I am not underestimating the work it takes to make a giclee, I'm pretty familiar with all processes.
I don't completely discount it, I've seen giclee / etching hybrids that were interesting. But generally speaking a giclee is an easy way out, often for people who don't know how to make a print and don't have the time or interest in learning but want to make money selling prints to fans. What I'd like to see is Josh Keyes do a woodcut instead of make a reproduction of something already done. Instead a giclee is a reproduction while just about every other method of printmaking creates an original image with idiosyncrasies unique to that medium. It's two philosophically different things, one with inherent artistic processes the other trying to imitate artistic processes that were already created.
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High priced Giclees, by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 14:24:31 GMT 1, I agree^, Its about process. I like something that has skill and hand precision, screen printing has that, photographs made in a darkroom has that, lino also has that.
Giclee's are great to be able to own works you couldnt get otherwise, from artists that arent clean enough for screen printing. Andreas Englund is a prime example.
But as Atom Gallery was saying, people who are designing prints for screen only, I would tend to go for the maya hayuk's who's process is to literally paint the screen, and stay away from the dot dot dot's, who use computers and layers.
I agree^, Its about process. I like something that has skill and hand precision, screen printing has that, photographs made in a darkroom has that, lino also has that.
Giclee's are great to be able to own works you couldnt get otherwise, from artists that arent clean enough for screen printing. Andreas Englund is a prime example.
But as Atom Gallery was saying, people who are designing prints for screen only, I would tend to go for the maya hayuk's who's process is to literally paint the screen, and stay away from the dot dot dot's, who use computers and layers.
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