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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by bone on Mar 6, 2014 21:18:46 GMT 1, I don't have a problem with anyone that got one by reaching out, I just never do it because I would think it would be annoying to the artist. After hearing numerous stories like this over the past few months, I guess I need to contact the gallery or artist after I miss out on a drop to see if they have any APs etc.
I don't have a problem with anyone that got one by reaching out, I just never do it because I would think it would be annoying to the artist. After hearing numerous stories like this over the past few months, I guess I need to contact the gallery or artist after I miss out on a drop to see if they have any APs etc.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 21:24:00 GMT 1, So the people who were looked after see nothing wrong! Wonder why that is?
And the people who didn't use any initiative and ask them about getting a print do see something wrong! Wonder why that is?
So the people who were looked after see nothing wrong! Wonder why that is? And the people who didn't use any initiative and ask them about getting a print do see something wrong! Wonder why that is?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Mordecai on Mar 6, 2014 21:32:44 GMT 1, It's not really dodgy deals though. People just used their initiative and contacted DotDotDot or Piece Of Sheet and asked if there were any other editions available. I didn't know anything about a gold edition as I asked Dot if he had any APs and he spoke to Piece Of Sheet and got this deal sorted (still full asking price btw, there's no 'special rates' going on!) Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and see what's out there. So... bomb all printers with e-mails after sell outs? Was it all smart telling about this deal?
It's not really dodgy deals though. People just used their initiative and contacted DotDotDot or Piece Of Sheet and asked if there were any other editions available. I didn't know anything about a gold edition as I asked Dot if he had any APs and he spoke to Piece Of Sheet and got this deal sorted (still full asking price btw, there's no 'special rates' going on!) Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and see what's out there. So... bomb all printers with e-mails after sell outs? Was it all smart telling about this deal?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 21:40:23 GMT 1, It's not really dodgy deals though. People just used their initiative and contacted DotDotDot or Piece Of Sheet and asked if there were any other editions available. I didn't know anything about a gold edition as I asked Dot if he had any APs and he spoke to Piece Of Sheet and got this deal sorted (still full asking price btw, there's no 'special rates' going on!) Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and see what's out there. So... bomb all printers with e-mails after sell outs? Was it all smart telling about this deal?
Firstly there is no 'deal'. I am not affiliated to the artist or P.O.Sheet so I'm not getting any special treatment and I didn't do anything that anybody else couldn't have done themselves. Why would it not be 'smart' to mention it here? As I said in my post I didn't 'bomb' the printer with emails, I simply FB messaged Dot asking if he had any APs for sale and he mentioned the gold edition to me.
I was just as dissapointed as the next guy when these all sold out in a split second but I think people should be more upset with the people flipping the print on eBay and on this very forum than with someone who just did something they never thought to do themselves.
It's not really dodgy deals though. People just used their initiative and contacted DotDotDot or Piece Of Sheet and asked if there were any other editions available. I didn't know anything about a gold edition as I asked Dot if he had any APs and he spoke to Piece Of Sheet and got this deal sorted (still full asking price btw, there's no 'special rates' going on!) Sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns and see what's out there. So... bomb all printers with e-mails after sell outs? Was it all smart telling about this deal? Firstly there is no 'deal'. I am not affiliated to the artist or P.O.Sheet so I'm not getting any special treatment and I didn't do anything that anybody else couldn't have done themselves. Why would it not be 'smart' to mention it here? As I said in my post I didn't 'bomb' the printer with emails, I simply FB messaged Dot asking if he had any APs for sale and he mentioned the gold edition to me. I was just as dissapointed as the next guy when these all sold out in a split second but I think people should be more upset with the people flipping the print on eBay and on this very forum than with someone who just did something they never thought to do themselves.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Icesay on Mar 6, 2014 22:11:59 GMT 1, Yeah...stop your bitchin....there are always a/p or p/p prints around. Print studios will generally have these prints that are usually reserved for friends family or the occasional lucky punter. Not available for general release. All artists / printers do it...even banksy you winging fuckets. Jeez forum turned into a spoilt brat paradise.
Yeah...stop your bitchin....there are always a/p or p/p prints around. Print studios will generally have these prints that are usually reserved for friends family or the occasional lucky punter. Not available for general release. All artists / printers do it...even banksy you winging fuckets. Jeez forum turned into a spoilt brat paradise.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by overend on Mar 6, 2014 22:20:44 GMT 1, Perhaps bombing them for presales worked for some as well then if it worked afterwards. Thanks for the insight and I'm sure we will all bear in mind for future releases with this outfit.
Perhaps bombing them for presales worked for some as well then if it worked afterwards. Thanks for the insight and I'm sure we will all bear in mind for future releases with this outfit.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 22:32:34 GMT 1, The fact is that nobody even knew there was a gold edition until someone mentioned it on this thread a few hours ago.
Nobody has missed out as nobody even knew this edition existed - I didn't until I got the message on FB! Nobody was up hours F5ing waiting for this to drop and the people moaning are moaning about a print that they haven't even tried to buy yet.
Anyone who's missed out on a print drop (as I have loads of times) and hasn't contacted the artist and tried to get an AP clearly can't be that bothered about the print. I've tried it before a few times and 90% on the time I'll hear nothing back and the rest of the time I'll be told there's nothing available.
The fact is that nobody even knew there was a gold edition until someone mentioned it on this thread a few hours ago.
Nobody has missed out as nobody even knew this edition existed - I didn't until I got the message on FB! Nobody was up hours F5ing waiting for this to drop and the people moaning are moaning about a print that they haven't even tried to buy yet.
Anyone who's missed out on a print drop (as I have loads of times) and hasn't contacted the artist and tried to get an AP clearly can't be that bothered about the print. I've tried it before a few times and 90% on the time I'll hear nothing back and the rest of the time I'll be told there's nothing available.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by dazarino on Mar 6, 2014 22:46:22 GMT 1, quite right amboguy, Im a big fan of dot and other norwegian artists. i think its great that if real fans want to go the extra mile to contact the artist and galleries for works, even if there is 99% chance of nothing available, why shouldn't they get a lucky break from time to time. Ive had success a few times doing this, I'm not a flipper and have genuine interest and want the artists work for my collection. i got a nice eelus canvas for ยฃ400, he was moving studios and had it lying about, Im sure the artists appreciate their work going to good homes
quite right amboguy, Im a big fan of dot and other norwegian artists. i think its great that if real fans want to go the extra mile to contact the artist and galleries for works, even if there is 99% chance of nothing available, why shouldn't they get a lucky break from time to time. Ive had success a few times doing this, I'm not a flipper and have genuine interest and want the artists work for my collection. i got a nice eelus canvas for ยฃ400, he was moving studios and had it lying about, Im sure the artists appreciate their work going to good homes
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by jaydot7 on Mar 6, 2014 22:55:53 GMT 1, seems almost off topic...but did anyone receive a theft yet?
seems almost off topic...but did anyone receive a theft yet?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by .dappy on Mar 6, 2014 23:08:00 GMT 1, ... if you like what a gallery produces and some of the artists, then it does not hurt to email them with a polite email ... If you get the chance and may be able to visit the gallery a little while after then you can also make a connection. You would be surprised what they have 'out the back' or 'upstairs'. Most gallery owners would be pleased to show you their wares. Be honest with a gallery/artist - let them know that you do not have thousands or even hundreds to spend and even say not for a while (if that is the case).
Mike the founder of Black Rat Press specifically got his collection of original and varied swoons out for me and displayed them in the gallery one afternoon. He knew I could not afford them, but knew I loved her work. The dearest thing I had bought from the gallery was 2no prints at ยฃ175 each. I had bought them at a preview night and went back to collect them a couple of weeks later. Had I met Mike on the preview evening - No. Did I know who Mike was - No. I had emailed the gallery (contact/info@) the following day and said that I would like to pick them up. 'Mike' emailed me back and said 'no problem' and 'hoped I had enjoyed the show?' I said yes and especially the couple of swoons that he had on show. When I went to pick my prints up he came out and asked his assistants to start to bring the swoons out ... we talked ... he left me to myself ... I got up close .. and had all the time in the world ... he then gave me a fantastic book all about her.
How did I get to the preview show. I saw the show advertised and sent them a polite email asking if there was a preview night and if possible could I be added to the list - they did not know me from adam.
A long post ... but hopefully sought of helps some people to become so called 'vips' 'special' friends 'part of the club' ... yes - there are friends and family and those people that spend thousands who get special treatment and why not? Being polite ... being honest ... may actually get you to see some special art nobody usually sees and gets you an odd preview night or pdf now and again.
... if you like what a gallery produces and some of the artists, then it does not hurt to email them with a polite email ... If you get the chance and may be able to visit the gallery a little while after then you can also make a connection. You would be surprised what they have 'out the back' or 'upstairs'. Most gallery owners would be pleased to show you their wares. Be honest with a gallery/artist - let them know that you do not have thousands or even hundreds to spend and even say not for a while (if that is the case).
Mike the founder of Black Rat Press specifically got his collection of original and varied swoons out for me and displayed them in the gallery one afternoon. He knew I could not afford them, but knew I loved her work. The dearest thing I had bought from the gallery was 2no prints at ยฃ175 each. I had bought them at a preview night and went back to collect them a couple of weeks later. Had I met Mike on the preview evening - No. Did I know who Mike was - No. I had emailed the gallery (contact/info@) the following day and said that I would like to pick them up. 'Mike' emailed me back and said 'no problem' and 'hoped I had enjoyed the show?' I said yes and especially the couple of swoons that he had on show. When I went to pick my prints up he came out and asked his assistants to start to bring the swoons out ... we talked ... he left me to myself ... I got up close .. and had all the time in the world ... he then gave me a fantastic book all about her.
How did I get to the preview show. I saw the show advertised and sent them a polite email asking if there was a preview night and if possible could I be added to the list - they did not know me from adam.
A long post ... but hopefully sought of helps some people to become so called 'vips' 'special' friends 'part of the club' ... yes - there are friends and family and those people that spend thousands who get special treatment and why not? Being polite ... being honest ... may actually get you to see some special art nobody usually sees and gets you an odd preview night or pdf now and again.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 23:14:29 GMT 1, Good post and sums up perfectly why if you sometimes put the extra effort in and put in a polite request it can pay off.
If you don't ask you don't get.
Good post and sums up perfectly why if you sometimes put the extra effort in and put in a polite request it can pay off.
If you don't ask you don't get.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Mordecai on Mar 6, 2014 23:35:15 GMT 1, Good post and sums up perfectly why if you sometimes put the extra effort in and put in a polite request it can pay off. If you don't ask you don't get. Not even close getting the point.
Nothing wrong having APs og PPs, But why have a AP you just gonna sell to random people bold enough getting in touch? It would be better of on the release page, with the other prints. Next sell out everybody reading this thread is gonna go to Dots fb and message him "do you have an AP for me". Actually, Ill write the e-mail before the release so if i dont get the first release ill be sure to be the first in his inbox!
If you had a connection to him, then nothing wrong in it, and you would probably keep the deal to yourself.
Not many printhouses does this, it`s not good in any way. And you would be better of not telling about cuz now everybody is gonna do it. But, enjoy the carma hey
Good post and sums up perfectly why if you sometimes put the extra effort in and put in a polite request it can pay off. If you don't ask you don't get. Not even close getting the point. Nothing wrong having APs og PPs, But why have a AP you just gonna sell to random people bold enough getting in touch? It would be better of on the release page, with the other prints. Next sell out everybody reading this thread is gonna go to Dots fb and message him "do you have an AP for me". Actually, Ill write the e-mail before the release so if i dont get the first release ill be sure to be the first in his inbox! If you had a connection to him, then nothing wrong in it, and you would probably keep the deal to yourself. Not many printhouses does this, it`s not good in any way. And you would be better of not telling about cuz now everybody is gonna do it. But, enjoy the carma hey
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 23:44:01 GMT 1, Most printhouses do this - you've probably just never asked before.
You seem most upset that I've let people know about it. So surely if you want fairness then you should be happy about it - your post contradicts itself.
People have been sending emails, tweeting or FB messaging artists asking for APs since social media has been used to promote prints (ie for years) so it's hardly a huge insider secret to do this.
Well as I've now given you a heads up to contact Dot yourself (not that you really should need to be told) then, yes, I will enjoy some good Karma.
Most printhouses do this - you've probably just never asked before.
You seem most upset that I've let people know about it. So surely if you want fairness then you should be happy about it - your post contradicts itself.
People have been sending emails, tweeting or FB messaging artists asking for APs since social media has been used to promote prints (ie for years) so it's hardly a huge insider secret to do this.
Well as I've now given you a heads up to contact Dot yourself (not that you really should need to be told) then, yes, I will enjoy some good Karma.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by .dappy on Mar 6, 2014 23:52:50 GMT 1, with respect mordecai ... I do not think that you get it ... do you really think that a gallery or artist is going to respond to (random) email(s) from lots of different people saying please let me have the next ap/pp/variant even if you sell out.
I am not going to get into a message/post war with you ... or anybody else ... but maybe you would like to re-read my post tomorrow.
amboguy gets sucked in and he knows it, but can't help himself ... calm down mr a.
with respect mordecai ... I do not think that you get it ... do you really think that a gallery or artist is going to respond to (random) email(s) from lots of different people saying please let me have the next ap/pp/variant even if you sell out. I am not going to get into a message/post war with you ... or anybody else ... but maybe you would like to re-read my post tomorrow. amboguy gets sucked in and he knows it, but can't help himself ... calm down mr a.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Mordecai on Mar 6, 2014 23:53:05 GMT 1, Most printhouses do this - you've probably just never asked before. You seem most upset that I've let people know about it. So surely if you want fairness then you should be happy about it - your post contradicts itself. People have been sending emails, tweeting or FB messaging artists asking for APs since social media has been used to promote prints (ie for years) so it's hardly a huge insider secret to do this. Still not getting it. I am not upset. Im asking whats the point, why not drop this print with the others? and do you think it will work same procedure next time?
Most printhouses do this - you've probably just never asked before. You seem most upset that I've let people know about it. So surely if you want fairness then you should be happy about it - your post contradicts itself. People have been sending emails, tweeting or FB messaging artists asking for APs since social media has been used to promote prints (ie for years) so it's hardly a huge insider secret to do this. Still not getting it. I am not upset. Im asking whats the point, why not drop this print with the others? and do you think it will work same procedure next time?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 23:57:38 GMT 1, with respect mordeci ... I do not think that you get it ... do you really think that a gallery or artist is going to respond to (random) email(s) from lots of different people saying please let me have the next ap/pp/variant even if you sell out. I am not going to get into an message/post war with you ... or anybody else ... but maybe you would like to re-read my post tomorrow. amboguy gets sucked in and he knows it, but can't help himself ... calm down mr a.
Yeah I know. Well I'm out for now, I've got a glass of red (a lovely Pinot Noir from Chile) on the go so I'll leave the UAA for the night.
I don't think we (me and Mordeci) will agree on this so me posting any more messages serves no further purpose.
with respect mordeci ... I do not think that you get it ... do you really think that a gallery or artist is going to respond to (random) email(s) from lots of different people saying please let me have the next ap/pp/variant even if you sell out. I am not going to get into an message/post war with you ... or anybody else ... but maybe you would like to re-read my post tomorrow. amboguy gets sucked in and he knows it, but can't help himself ... calm down mr a. Yeah I know. Well I'm out for now, I've got a glass of red (a lovely Pinot Noir from Chile) on the go so I'll leave the UAA for the night. I don't think we (me and Mordeci) will agree on this so me posting any more messages serves no further purpose.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by rexxington on Mar 10, 2014 4:04:09 GMT 1, Anyone got their Theft yet? Could anyone let me know if these are posted by Royal Mail or by courier?
Anyone got their Theft yet? Could anyone let me know if these are posted by Royal Mail or by courier?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by rowan on Mar 10, 2014 7:53:14 GMT 1, Anyone got their Theft yet? Could anyone let me know if these are posted by Royal Mail or by courier?
I'm still waiting for mine.
Anyone got their Theft yet? Could anyone let me know if these are posted by Royal Mail or by courier? I'm still waiting for mine.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Dibbs 45 on Mar 10, 2014 17:33:53 GMT 1, Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places.
Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Graham H on Mar 10, 2014 17:41:43 GMT 1, Just get a pencil out and put three circles on it like all the other ones!!
Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places.
Just get a pencil out and put three circles on it like all the other ones!! Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 17:50:11 GMT 1, Just get a pencil out and put three circles on it like all the other ones!! Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places.
Ha ha yeah how hard could it be to do a Dot signature !
Just get a pencil out and put three circles on it like all the other ones!! Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places. Ha ha yeah how hard could it be to do a Dot signature !
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Dibbs 45 on Mar 10, 2014 17:58:05 GMT 1, Never seen the signature before - thats not the point though is it?
Never seen the signature before - thats not the point though is it?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Coach on Mar 10, 2014 18:10:04 GMT 1, Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places.
Mistakes happen in all walks of life. Just a little bit of human error, by the sounds of it.
Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places. Mistakes happen in all walks of life. Just a little bit of human error, by the sounds of it.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Dibbs 45 on Mar 10, 2014 18:38:12 GMT 1, Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places. Mistakes happen in all walks of life. Just a little bit of human error, by the sounds of it. Coach I appreciate your level headed approach to most posts, and understand that it is human error. However if this is not numbered, signed and has a coa with it, I will have to pay customs cost to receive it and then pay to send it back, and when you have forked out ยฃ375 already - I find that a liberty, unless they make some provision for sending it back. And paying a customs charge when I get it back as well. If anyone can enlighten me whether there is a customs charge to England? 2x ยฃ25 +Customs charge both ways. I don't have the disposable income to do this. Whinge over- the first and last hopefully.
Just got message that my one might not be signed when I receive, as it was packed too quick and just to sent it back to get it signed. Not happy about this at all. Is there no quality control in these places. Mistakes happen in all walks of life. Just a little bit of human error, by the sounds of it. Coach I appreciate your level headed approach to most posts, and understand that it is human error. However if this is not numbered, signed and has a coa with it, I will have to pay customs cost to receive it and then pay to send it back, and when you have forked out ยฃ375 already - I find that a liberty, unless they make some provision for sending it back. And paying a customs charge when I get it back as well. If anyone can enlighten me whether there is a customs charge to England? 2x ยฃ25 +Customs charge both ways. I don't have the disposable income to do this. Whinge over- the first and last hopefully.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 18:41:40 GMT 1, My email didn't say it wasn't numbered or didn't have a coa so we'll just have to wait and see.
I think it's just not signed.
My email didn't say it wasn't numbered or didn't have a coa so we'll just have to wait and see.
I think it's just not signed.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Coach on Mar 10, 2014 18:42:32 GMT 1, Mistakes happen in all walks of life. Just a little bit of human error, by the sounds of it. Coach I appreciate your level headed approach to most posts, and understand that it is human error. However if this is not numbered, signed and has a coa with it, I will have to pay customs cost to receive it and then pay to send it back, and when you have forked out ยฃ375 already - I find that a liberty, unless they make some provision for sending it back. And paying a customs charge when I get it back as well. If anyone can enlighten me whether there is a customs charge to England? 2x ยฃ25 +Customs charge both ways. I don't have the disposable income to do this. Whinge over- the first and last hopefully. No, that's fair enough. If the gallery have made a mistake, I would hope that they will cover the cost to you of getting that corrected.
Mistakes happen in all walks of life. Just a little bit of human error, by the sounds of it. Coach I appreciate your level headed approach to most posts, and understand that it is human error. However if this is not numbered, signed and has a coa with it, I will have to pay customs cost to receive it and then pay to send it back, and when you have forked out ยฃ375 already - I find that a liberty, unless they make some provision for sending it back. And paying a customs charge when I get it back as well. If anyone can enlighten me whether there is a customs charge to England? 2x ยฃ25 +Customs charge both ways. I don't have the disposable income to do this. Whinge over- the first and last hopefully. No, that's fair enough. If the gallery have made a mistake, I would hope that they will cover the cost to you of getting that corrected.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Poster Bob on Mar 10, 2014 18:47:02 GMT 1, Has anyone here had to pay customs for their prints?
Has anyone here had to pay customs for their prints?
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Nick on Mar 10, 2014 18:52:54 GMT 1, My logic says there is no customs/import duty to the UK as Norway is in the EU.
My logic says there is no customs/import duty to the UK as Norway is in the EU.
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 18:59:22 GMT 1, My logic says there is no customs/import duty to the UK as Norway is in the EU.
thats 100% right nickh87, no import duties within the eu!
My logic says there is no customs/import duty to the UK as Norway is in the EU. thats 100% right nickh87, no import duties within the eu!
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"SCREAM" and "THEFT" by DOT DOT DOT, by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 19:09:53 GMT 1,
You're right ling, my apologies
You're right ling, my apologies
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