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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 21:49:10 GMT 1, @badrobot - I appreciate the humor, but my art collection was a bit insulted by the "STIK Love Room" comment so for the forum's viewing pleasure I will show you the adjacent room to the STIK one. Unfortunately, I don't get to enjoy them every day as they are not at my primary residence. Please excuse my ignorance but who's the guy in the second picture down? I don't really know all that much about Warhol's work.
@badrobot - I appreciate the humor, but my art collection was a bit insulted by the "STIK Love Room" comment so for the forum's viewing pleasure I will show you the adjacent room to the STIK one. Unfortunately, I don't get to enjoy them every day as they are not at my primary residence. Please excuse my ignorance but who's the guy in the second picture down? I don't really know all that much about Warhol's work.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 21:56:59 GMT 1, Jagger
Jagger
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 22:20:22 GMT 1,
Ahh ok cheers.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by maxf on Feb 2, 2014 15:19:30 GMT 1, Lots of 1 feedback bidders when I looked.
Lots of 1 feedback bidders when I looked.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Gunny on Feb 2, 2014 15:28:40 GMT 1, Lots of 1 feedback bidders when I looked. there is only 2 bidders with a feedback of 1 - the current highest bidder had feedback over 1000, and there looks to be a lot of other credible bidders
Lots of 1 feedback bidders when I looked. there is only 2 bidders with a feedback of 1 - the current highest bidder had feedback over 1000, and there looks to be a lot of other credible bidders
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Poster Bob on Feb 2, 2014 15:28:46 GMT 1, That isn't necessarily an issue. Virtually every expensive (£750+) dolk print I have ever sold went to a Norwegian with 1 or 0 as a feedback rating.
That isn't necessarily an issue. Virtually every expensive (£750+) dolk print I have ever sold went to a Norwegian with 1 or 0 as a feedback rating.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Mateo Spain on Feb 2, 2014 15:31:05 GMT 1, Ok here's a new one...
I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print.
What to do?? Any advice???
Ok here's a new one...
I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print.
What to do?? Any advice???
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Feb 2, 2014 15:33:57 GMT 1, Ohhh noooo!
Ohhh noooo!
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by shortcut on Feb 2, 2014 15:42:03 GMT 1, Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice???
Nightmare
Well what they should do is offer everyone they oversold to and took the payment first refusal on the next Os Gemeos print (yes, I'm one of them), or do an edition similar to what Faile did with Hits & Crashes (great guys). But my experience so far suggests nothing like that will happen.
Oh, and they should cover your exchange rate loss - email and tell them - will probably have to do a few times and then get a bit moody with them to get any kind of reply :/
Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? Nightmare Well what they should do is offer everyone they oversold to and took the payment first refusal on the next Os Gemeos print (yes, I'm one of them), or do an edition similar to what Faile did with Hits & Crashes (great guys). But my experience so far suggests nothing like that will happen. Oh, and they should cover your exchange rate loss - email and tell them - will probably have to do a few times and then get a bit moody with them to get any kind of reply :/
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by chichi carter on Feb 2, 2014 16:03:56 GMT 1, Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? A new one indeed. It had never crossed my mind that this could happen. Dreadful... Good luck with that.
Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? A new one indeed. It had never crossed my mind that this could happen. Dreadful... Good luck with that.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by rottenredrooster on Feb 2, 2014 16:11:30 GMT 1, Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? They will have to cover it. It's been a farce from the offset.
Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? They will have to cover it. It's been a farce from the offset.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Gard on Feb 2, 2014 16:11:54 GMT 1, That has happened to me more than once. Tell them how much you lost in your own currency and they should cover it. Send them a screenshot from your bank to show them the numbers.
That has happened to me more than once. Tell them how much you lost in your own currency and they should cover it. Send them a screenshot from your bank to show them the numbers.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Poster Bob on Feb 2, 2014 16:38:14 GMT 1, I think you are shit out of luck. No amount of complaining is going to make them hand you $300+ because of fluctuations in currency conversion rates.
I think you are shit out of luck. No amount of complaining is going to make them hand you $300+ because of fluctuations in currency conversion rates.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by sal on Feb 2, 2014 16:52:14 GMT 1, Mateo Spain That sucks big time mate! As more people here suggested - you should ask them to cover that. It's completely unacceptable to pay that much money for a CHANCE to buy a print. Good luck!
Mateo Spain That sucks big time mate! As more people here suggested - you should ask them to cover that. It's completely unacceptable to pay that much money for a CHANCE to buy a print. Good luck!
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 16:58:30 GMT 1, How did you pay? I think paypal refunds occur at the rate prevailing at the time of the original transaction.
How did you pay? I think paypal refunds occur at the rate prevailing at the time of the original transaction.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 18:49:24 GMT 1, How did you pay? I think paypal refunds occur at the rate prevailing at the time of the original transaction.
Nope it's the current rate. I lost about £70 on a Herakut refund that took about 6 months to go through and that was via PayPal.
How did you pay? I think paypal refunds occur at the rate prevailing at the time of the original transaction. Nope it's the current rate. I lost about £70 on a Herakut refund that took about 6 months to go through and that was via PayPal.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 19:06:15 GMT 1, Well, that's unfortunate.
Well, that's unfortunate.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Feb 2, 2014 19:29:56 GMT 1, indeed that is a massive bummer. keep us up to date on how this develops for you Mateo Spain
indeed that is a massive bummer. keep us up to date on how this develops for you Mateo Spain
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 19:33:44 GMT 1, It would be nice if they made it right for you, but I have my doubts, and I'm not sure that they have any obligation to, as they were not managing the foreign exchange conversion.
It would be nice if they made it right for you, but I have my doubts, and I'm not sure that they have any obligation to, as they were not managing the foreign exchange conversion.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Limited Prints on Feb 2, 2014 19:34:43 GMT 1, Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? that's pretty fucked up. Im almost positive if the rates had worked the other way you wouldn't have made money. I would email them and let them know whats going on. No doubt the squeaky wheel gets greased. with a situation like this I would kindly ask to be put on a list and given first refusal of next. I would stay on it though.
Ok here's a new one... I was one of the many that thought they had scored a print - with purchase confirmation and everything - only to receive the dreaded "refund email". The money was deducted from my account, and subsequently refunded, BUT...because of the time between when I thought I had purchased the print and when the money was refunded, the exchange rate had fluctuated so this is now a USD 300+ loss for a non-purchased print. What to do?? Any advice??? that's pretty fucked up. Im almost positive if the rates had worked the other way you wouldn't have made money. I would email them and let them know whats going on. No doubt the squeaky wheel gets greased. with a situation like this I would kindly ask to be put on a list and given first refusal of next. I would stay on it though.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:21:52 GMT 1, Things seem to have calmed down on this thread..
Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here. Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense. Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure. Do I really give a shit ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them. Would I have given a shit 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People.
Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening.
peace
Things seem to have calmed down on this thread..
Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here. Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense. Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure. Do I really give a shit ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them. Would I have given a shit 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People.
Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening.
peace
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Petrusino on Feb 2, 2014 22:06:53 GMT 1, Things seem to have calmed down on this thread.. Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here. Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense. Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure. Do I really give a s**t ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them. Would I have given a s**t 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People. Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening. peace Thanks for your honesty and to have understood what I meant. my english sucks! Thank god, people who can teach lessons about this culture and who have contributing for years to make it grow, look at the future of this big artistic movement trying to have at least a bit of coherence with the past; with the roots. Thanks
Things seem to have calmed down on this thread.. Was the price point too high for Os Gemeos fans ? yes, without a doubt, it's a few months wages for most Brazillians and far in excess of any other print release EVER released and discussed on here. Was the edition size too little for a first release ? From a fans perspective, again, yes, without a doubt, a thousand at €400 would have made more sense. Was this targeted at the fine and contemporary art set ? yes, without a doubt. Does that piss off a few/many of their street level fans ? yes, should it ? Not sure. Do I really give a s**t ? No, not anymore. The scene has developed this way. Good luck to them. Would I have given a s**t 6 or 7 years ago ? absolutely. Power to the People. Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Central Europeans.. all coming at street art from a much more anarchistic background and history to the UK and US scenes. From a "street" "leftist" "keeping it real" perspective, the release sucked. I think that's Petrusino's point. And from that perspective, he's absolutely right. There are still more than a few anti capitalist street art fans on this board who are as likely to don a bandana or balaclava of a weekend as they are their weekends finest for some swanky sponsored art opening. peace Thanks for your honesty and to have understood what I meant. my english sucks! Thank god, people who can teach lessons about this culture and who have contributing for years to make it grow, look at the future of this big artistic movement trying to have at least a bit of coherence with the past; with the roots. Thanks
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Warm Gun on Feb 2, 2014 22:34:16 GMT 1, I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh
I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by alittle on Feb 2, 2014 22:39:42 GMT 1, Average wage in Britain is £26,500, or £2,208/month, less taxes. So yeah, pretty close to a couple months. Now obviously, this print wasn't made for the average person.
Average wage in Britain is £26,500, or £2,208/month, less taxes. So yeah, pretty close to a couple months. Now obviously, this print wasn't made for the average person.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by rottenredrooster on Feb 2, 2014 22:43:27 GMT 1, I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil.
I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 22:53:53 GMT 1, I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month
Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month
The inequality I saw when there was some of the most extreme I've ever seen
I suspect that the print cost was a hell of a lot more than few months wages for the average Brazilian.... more than a few months wages for the average Brit tbh I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month The inequality I saw when there was some of the most extreme I've ever seen
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by rottenredrooster on Feb 2, 2014 23:03:02 GMT 1, I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month The inequality I saw when there was one of the most extreme I've ever seen Obscene, but unsurprising.
I believe the average salary is short of 500 quid a month in Brazil. Food /Hospitality / Tourism / Catering : 3,000 BRL a month Law Enforcement / Security / : 25,000 BRL a month The inequality I saw when there was one of the most extreme I've ever seen Obscene, but unsurprising.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 0:07:09 GMT 1, I don't believe that they really give a s*** about the average Brazilian by pricing this so high. I guess they must have thought that if the market is in the US and Europe then why care if their own countrymen cannot afford a print? After all, as people have pointed out, they knew this would sell out.
I don't believe that they really give a s*** about the average Brazilian by pricing this so high. I guess they must have thought that if the market is in the US and Europe then why care if their own countrymen cannot afford a print? After all, as people have pointed out, they knew this would sell out.
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Os Gemeos @99prints, by Lunch Special on Feb 3, 2014 2:02:01 GMT 1, The people of Brazil receive plenty of art for free in the streets where the twins paint. Its obvious this print was directed at the collectors, the galleries and in some shape or form, its there way of introducing themselves into the print market. They have done a number of collabos with Nike and other major corporations havent they? They have published how many books with photos of there art? They were part of a number of high profile shows and exhibits. So there art has been made available to the public to see and enjoy but this was made for a different audience.
Im excited to see whats to come.
The people of Brazil receive plenty of art for free in the streets where the twins paint. Its obvious this print was directed at the collectors, the galleries and in some shape or form, its there way of introducing themselves into the print market. They have done a number of collabos with Nike and other major corporations havent they? They have published how many books with photos of there art? They were part of a number of high profile shows and exhibits. So there art has been made available to the public to see and enjoy but this was made for a different audience.
Im excited to see whats to come.
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