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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 12, 2012 23:32:17 GMT 1, The basic truth is
This place was built off the back of the eBay forum for banksy sales, it's core appeal was to those helping others not buy forgeries and getting excited about the images, the meanings, the pieces going up around the world and of course the escalating prices on the secondary market.
Banksy has moved away from those at this level and no one has replaced the vacuum, no one, that is a basic fact, I know we all have our favourites but still it's a truth and with it this place is slowly slowly disappearing.
The basic truth is
This place was built off the back of the eBay forum for banksy sales, it's core appeal was to those helping others not buy forgeries and getting excited about the images, the meanings, the pieces going up around the world and of course the escalating prices on the secondary market.
Banksy has moved away from those at this level and no one has replaced the vacuum, no one, that is a basic fact, I know we all have our favourites but still it's a truth and with it this place is slowly slowly disappearing.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Coach on Nov 12, 2012 23:43:00 GMT 1, That's depressing nex. Not sure I agree with you tho. The premise that I disagree with is that it might be necessary for one artist to replace Banksy. I still get excited by new art. I got excited today when I saw the word to mother baseball bats. New to me. I remain optimistic that my love of art extends beyond Banksy.
That's depressing nex. Not sure I agree with you tho. The premise that I disagree with is that it might be necessary for one artist to replace Banksy. I still get excited by new art. I got excited today when I saw the word to mother baseball bats. New to me. I remain optimistic that my love of art extends beyond Banksy.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Guest on Nov 12, 2012 23:45:44 GMT 1, This place has not been about banksy for years, its been about world art for a while. Think silky did a good job at converting it from a boys club to an overall art forum
This place has not been about banksy for years, its been about world art for a while. Think silky did a good job at converting it from a boys club to an overall art forum
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 12, 2012 23:53:38 GMT 1, That's depressing nex. Not sure I agree with you tho. The premise that I disagree with is that it might be necessary for one artist to replace Banksy. I still get excited by new art. I got excited today when I saw the word to mother baseball bats. New to me. I remain optimistic that my love of art extends beyond Banksy.
I'm not talking about the art world, I'm not talking about your love or mine, simply this forum, people think I'm being critical I'm just observing.
There is no strong driving force
That's depressing nex. Not sure I agree with you tho. The premise that I disagree with is that it might be necessary for one artist to replace Banksy. I still get excited by new art. I got excited today when I saw the word to mother baseball bats. New to me. I remain optimistic that my love of art extends beyond Banksy. I'm not talking about the art world, I'm not talking about your love or mine, simply this forum, people think I'm being critical I'm just observing. There is no strong driving force
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Guest on Nov 12, 2012 23:56:04 GMT 1, Eh?
Eh?
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 12, 2012 23:59:11 GMT 1, This place has not been about banksy for years, its been about world art for a while. Think silky did a good job at converting it from a boys club to an overall art forum
I'll try to have an adult conversation with you...the point is have the amount ppl coming and contributing fallen in that time? The answer is clearly yes.
This place has not been about banksy for years, its been about world art for a while. Think silky did a good job at converting it from a boys club to an overall art forum I'll try to have an adult conversation with you...the point is have the amount ppl coming and contributing fallen in that time? The answer is clearly yes.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Guest on Nov 13, 2012 0:02:13 GMT 1, Yes, but theres no reason to insult me. I was not saying anything out of turn.
Of course it has declined, all those people who were on here just lurk rather than posting. Its easier than pretending you are actually interested in collecting prints and art
You can see from the viewing stats the interest is still there. The day when the supposed banksy release was happening last year there were 200 people viewing the main forum at once. The majority of people that were on here originally lost interest and moved onto other stuff as the monetary factor dropped.
Its not do do with the art being weak. Infact it is stronger these days. I cringe at some of the stuff that the big dogs were churning out back in the day. Its embarassing.
Yes, but theres no reason to insult me. I was not saying anything out of turn.
Of course it has declined, all those people who were on here just lurk rather than posting. Its easier than pretending you are actually interested in collecting prints and art
You can see from the viewing stats the interest is still there. The day when the supposed banksy release was happening last year there were 200 people viewing the main forum at once. The majority of people that were on here originally lost interest and moved onto other stuff as the monetary factor dropped.
Its not do do with the art being weak. Infact it is stronger these days. I cringe at some of the stuff that the big dogs were churning out back in the day. Its embarassing.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by artylang on Nov 13, 2012 0:06:43 GMT 1, It is typically a 50/50 split artist and gallery.
Banksy is producing plenty of art. It is placed very carefully with those who have the means to pay for it and keep it for a long while. Those who are interested, passionate, motivated and have the means will find his work.
It is typically a 50/50 split artist and gallery.
Banksy is producing plenty of art. It is placed very carefully with those who have the means to pay for it and keep it for a long while. Those who are interested, passionate, motivated and have the means will find his work.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by dotdot on Nov 13, 2012 0:12:49 GMT 1, The basic truth is This place was built off the back of the eBay forum for banksy sales, it's core appeal was to those helping others not buy forgeries and getting excited about the images, the meanings, the pieces going up around the world and of course the escalating prices on the secondary market. Banksy has moved away from those at this level and no one has replaced the vacuum, no one, that is a basic fact, I know we all have our favourites but still it's a truth and with it this place is slowly slowly disappearing.
ah the oef.
vacuum..indeed.
it's a word i've heard twice this eve - one in relation to the bbc and the other here.
..it's apt, though.
..pwei.
will [street|urban] art do the same ?
..mmm discuss.
The basic truth is This place was built off the back of the eBay forum for banksy sales, it's core appeal was to those helping others not buy forgeries and getting excited about the images, the meanings, the pieces going up around the world and of course the escalating prices on the secondary market. Banksy has moved away from those at this level and no one has replaced the vacuum, no one, that is a basic fact, I know we all have our favourites but still it's a truth and with it this place is slowly slowly disappearing. ah the oef. vacuum..indeed. it's a word i've heard twice this eve - one in relation to the bbc and the other here. ..it's apt, though. ..pwei. will [street|urban] art do the same ? ..mmm discuss.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 13, 2012 0:17:28 GMT 1, Yes, but theres no reason to insult me. I was not saying anything out of turn. Of course it has declined, all those people who were on here just lurk rather than posting. Its easier than pretending you are actually interested in collecting prints and art You can see from the viewing stats the interest is still there. The day when the supposed banksy release was happening last year there were 200 people viewing the main forum at once. The majority of people that were on here originally lost interest and moved onto other stuff as the monetary factor dropped. Its not do do with the art being weak. Infact it is stronger these days. I cringe at some of the stuff that the big dogs were churning out back in the day. Its embarassing.
Hang on one hand you say it's declined and the next you say the interest is still there? Which is it? Where did I say the art is weak? I just said there is no central uniting driving force behind this place like there once was...
Oh and the insult was an observation, but a truth you'd be unwilling to accept so I deleted it.
Yes, but theres no reason to insult me. I was not saying anything out of turn. Of course it has declined, all those people who were on here just lurk rather than posting. Its easier than pretending you are actually interested in collecting prints and art You can see from the viewing stats the interest is still there. The day when the supposed banksy release was happening last year there were 200 people viewing the main forum at once. The majority of people that were on here originally lost interest and moved onto other stuff as the monetary factor dropped. Its not do do with the art being weak. Infact it is stronger these days. I cringe at some of the stuff that the big dogs were churning out back in the day. Its embarassing. Hang on one hand you say it's declined and the next you say the interest is still there? Which is it? Where did I say the art is weak? I just said there is no central uniting driving force behind this place like there once was... Oh and the insult was an observation, but a truth you'd be unwilling to accept so I deleted it.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Guest on Nov 13, 2012 0:18:30 GMT 1, I said the art is stronger, not the foot fall who actually post,
The people are still there but now only have an interest in their investments, unless they have sold them all by now.
The queue for the cyw print killed it for me. People can pretend all they want and talk bout loving the art... Buying each other beers and cooking a sausage, but they are always holding that knife behind their back. Shocking displays of double standards from nearly every single person.
One person stands out more than that night and im pretty sure they are a lurker on here. It pretty much sums up all those who used to post here but have given up waffling.
I still waffle but its for the greater good. ;D
This thread has almost 4,000 views until now and it has nothing to do with the facts its an amazing thread, its because the lurkers smell fresh blood.
I said the art is stronger, not the foot fall who actually post,
The people are still there but now only have an interest in their investments, unless they have sold them all by now.
The queue for the cyw print killed it for me. People can pretend all they want and talk bout loving the art... Buying each other beers and cooking a sausage, but they are always holding that knife behind their back. Shocking displays of double standards from nearly every single person.
One person stands out more than that night and im pretty sure they are a lurker on here. It pretty much sums up all those who used to post here but have given up waffling.
I still waffle but its for the greater good. ;D
This thread has almost 4,000 views until now and it has nothing to do with the facts its an amazing thread, its because the lurkers smell fresh blood.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by love on Nov 13, 2012 0:25:07 GMT 1, What would we do if nothing happened this year, surely that would not happen?....
Keeping the thread alive for 12 more months, but i already heard that Lazarides is working on their christmas event.
What would we do if nothing happened this year, surely that would not happen?.... Keeping the thread alive for 12 more months, but i already heard that Lazarides is working on their christmas event.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 13, 2012 0:34:45 GMT 1, The basic truth is This place was built off the back of the eBay forum for banksy sales, it's core appeal was to those helping others not buy forgeries and getting excited about the images, the meanings, the pieces going up around the world and of course the escalating prices on the secondary market. Banksy has moved away from those at this level and no one has replaced the vacuum, no one, that is a basic fact, I know we all have our favourites but still it's a truth and with it this place is slowly slowly disappearing. ah the oef. vacuum..indeed. it's a word i've heard twice this eve - one in relation to the bbc and the other here. ..it's apt, though. ..pwei. will [street|urban] art do the same ? ..mmm discuss.
Pwei definitely
Jumped the shark etc etc
The artists are either too large for this place now, or producing work without a strong enough image to appeal to a broad base..the closest? Dolk or possible Geddes, and neither comes even close to impassioning enough to make for interesting conversations.
The basic truth is This place was built off the back of the eBay forum for banksy sales, it's core appeal was to those helping others not buy forgeries and getting excited about the images, the meanings, the pieces going up around the world and of course the escalating prices on the secondary market. Banksy has moved away from those at this level and no one has replaced the vacuum, no one, that is a basic fact, I know we all have our favourites but still it's a truth and with it this place is slowly slowly disappearing. ah the oef. vacuum..indeed. it's a word i've heard twice this eve - one in relation to the bbc and the other here. ..it's apt, though. ..pwei. will [street|urban] art do the same ? ..mmm discuss. Pwei definitely Jumped the shark etc etc The artists are either too large for this place now, or producing work without a strong enough image to appeal to a broad base..the closest? Dolk or possible Geddes, and neither comes even close to impassioning enough to make for interesting conversations.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by chyren on Nov 13, 2012 0:39:48 GMT 1, I agree with what freerange said
I agree with what freerange said
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by anbesivam1 on Nov 13, 2012 0:41:14 GMT 1, Banksy is producing plenty of art. It is placed very carefully with those who have the means to pay for it and keep it for a long while. Those who are interested, passionate, motivated and have the means will find his work.
You can probably just reduce that to: whomever have the means will find his work.
...Of course his team would like those who can afford to buy this years super limited releases, which were offered up only privately, to believe they are an exclusive group of "carefully" selected "passionate and motivated" collectors...
...but the reality is it's is just about the bottom line. If one is next on the list to be called/emailed and there are some left, then one is made to feel "special". The only thing special is the size of one's wallet.
There are plenty of passionate and motivated collectors on here
I'm not sure most of the innovators of 'street art' would recognise themselves in the mirror these days - par exemplar being Mr Banksy. That is not to be taken as a demerit but as an inevitable result of the passage of time in the era that we now live.
Banksy is producing plenty of art. It is placed very carefully with those who have the means to pay for it and keep it for a long while. Those who are interested, passionate, motivated and have the means will find his work. You can probably just reduce that to: whomever have the means will find his work. ...Of course his team would like those who can afford to buy this years super limited releases, which were offered up only privately, to believe they are an exclusive group of "carefully" selected "passionate and motivated" collectors... ...but the reality is it's is just about the bottom line. If one is next on the list to be called/emailed and there are some left, then one is made to feel "special". The only thing special is the size of one's wallet. There are plenty of passionate and motivated collectors on here I'm not sure most of the innovators of 'street art' would recognise themselves in the mirror these days - par exemplar being Mr Banksy. That is not to be taken as a demerit but as an inevitable result of the passage of time in the era that we now live.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 13, 2012 0:58:18 GMT 1, I'm not sure most of the innovators of 'street art' would recognise themselves in the mirror these days - par exemplar being Mr Banksy. That is not to be taken as a demerit but as an inevitable result of the passage of time in the era that we now live. Very good point -I also think a lot of collectors would not recognise themselves
I'm not sure most of the innovators of 'street art' would recognise themselves in the mirror these days - par exemplar being Mr Banksy. That is not to be taken as a demerit but as an inevitable result of the passage of time in the era that we now live. Very good point -I also think a lot of collectors would not recognise themselves
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by artylang on Nov 13, 2012 1:00:28 GMT 1, I did mention mean as being important. Sure it is. His product has a value that has been essentially accepted by a market willing to pay it. Listen, ya'll don't here about every painting "insert any other artist selling paintings for 100k" produces and sells. His shows are well spaced. The art world is not democratic by any means. I find that is the beauty of it. The more time you put in to building relationships and academic research the more you get out of it. I've found that passion will get you a long way.
Full disclosure, I own no banksy.
I did mention mean as being important. Sure it is. His product has a value that has been essentially accepted by a market willing to pay it. Listen, ya'll don't here about every painting "insert any other artist selling paintings for 100k" produces and sells. His shows are well spaced. The art world is not democratic by any means. I find that is the beauty of it. The more time you put in to building relationships and academic research the more you get out of it. I've found that passion will get you a long way.
Full disclosure, I own no banksy.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 13, 2012 1:01:51 GMT 1, The people are still there but now only have an interest in their investments, unless they have sold them all by now.
There's more too it than that, many of my friends are hugely passionate about banksys art, but no longer come here because they state it's dull and idiotic, it's hard to argue against that and yet I'm still here.
The people are still there but now only have an interest in their investments, unless they have sold them all by now. There's more too it than that, many of my friends are hugely passionate about banksys art, but no longer come here because they state it's dull and idiotic, it's hard to argue against that and yet I'm still here.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Guest on Nov 13, 2012 1:04:39 GMT 1, We are all special.
They are just missing out.
We are all special.
They are just missing out.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 13, 2012 1:14:34 GMT 1, Many years ago I had a grannies I sold it made a profit, missed the image so much I bought again and made a massive loss, but don't regret it, if money isn't an issue sometimes something just touches something deeper than greed, that is where the truth lies
Many years ago I had a grannies I sold it made a profit, missed the image so much I bought again and made a massive loss, but don't regret it, if money isn't an issue sometimes something just touches something deeper than greed, that is where the truth lies
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by naughtyshorty on Nov 13, 2012 4:06:39 GMT 1, its quite simple. some buy for love, some buy for money (as an investment) and some buy for a combo of the two. the reality of life is that it will always be that way.
And if you were in POW's shoes and u got slated everytime you did a release one way or the other, then why would you both to release anything any way any more? surely you would just use your network of 'genuine' buyers. at least that way, prints and images are far less likley to get into the hands of flippers... but then if you agree with that, that would mean that for the average collector they would have less chance of getting their hands on a print (at least flippers sell their prints!).. so what would you prefer?
strikes me as damned if you do, damned if you dont.
its quite simple. some buy for love, some buy for money (as an investment) and some buy for a combo of the two. the reality of life is that it will always be that way.
And if you were in POW's shoes and u got slated everytime you did a release one way or the other, then why would you both to release anything any way any more? surely you would just use your network of 'genuine' buyers. at least that way, prints and images are far less likley to get into the hands of flippers... but then if you agree with that, that would mean that for the average collector they would have less chance of getting their hands on a print (at least flippers sell their prints!).. so what would you prefer?
strikes me as damned if you do, damned if you dont.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by nex on Nov 13, 2012 4:16:03 GMT 1, its quite simple. some buy for love, some buy for money (as an investment) and some buy for a combo of the two. the reality of life is that it will always be that way.
Way to go taking all the magic out of it
its quite simple. some buy for love, some buy for money (as an investment) and some buy for a combo of the two. the reality of life is that it will always be that way. Way to go taking all the magic out of it
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Ruggs on Nov 13, 2012 10:28:23 GMT 1, Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard.
Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by naughtyshorty on Nov 13, 2012 10:30:16 GMT 1, its quite simple. some buy for love, some buy for money (as an investment) and some buy for a combo of the two. the reality of life is that it will always be that way. Way to go taking all the magic out of it
its quite simple. some buy for love, some buy for money (as an investment) and some buy for a combo of the two. the reality of life is that it will always be that way. Way to go taking all the magic out of it
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by chyren on Nov 13, 2012 10:30:57 GMT 1, Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard.
Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by naughtyshorty on Nov 13, 2012 10:30:58 GMT 1, Tell us more ruggs...
Tell us more ruggs...
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 10:31:33 GMT 1, Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard.
I heard 15
Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard. I heard 15
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Ruggs on Nov 13, 2012 10:32:53 GMT 1,
Just been told this from a few forumites. Someone else on here probably knows and can tell more. What i've said is as much as I know. Might be a complete load of guff.
Just been told this from a few forumites. Someone else on here probably knows and can tell more. What i've said is as much as I know. Might be a complete load of guff.
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by chyren on Nov 13, 2012 10:37:21 GMT 1, Names We want names
And pics too of said print..
And 17k I could do with 17k
Names We want names
And pics too of said print..
And 17k I could do with 17k
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THE CHRISTMAS GHETTO - POW - LAZARIDES + OTHERS, by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 10:38:49 GMT 1, Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard.
Get your staff ready to pounce.
Isn't there supposedly a tiny editioned Banksy screenprint of just 16 available at POW right now at around £17k. That's what i've heard. Get your staff ready to pounce.
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