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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by STP on Feb 25, 2022 23:08:49 GMT 1,
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everyoneowes
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by everyoneowes on Feb 25, 2022 23:18:31 GMT 1, The writer, a retired General in the British Army and author of ‘2017 War with Russia’, was Nato’s Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe.
FT - 25 02 22, Richard Shirreff
At a single stroke, Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has announced a new era for Europe. Russia’s unprovoked attack on its democratic neighbour is nothing less than the return of what Otto von Bismarck called “the politics of iron and blood” to Europe. The world that we knew before February 24, in which the rights of sovereign states to live in peace was guaranteed by a respect for international law without armed force, has gone for ever.
This is the return of warfare on a scale we have not seen since the second world war, a return to state-on-state warfare, a massive, premeditated, merciless and cruel assault by an ageing, isolated, nuclear-armed autocrat determined to re-establish Russian power in the former Soviet empire and to bend their populations to his will.
Let us not be fooled. This is no limited attack to bite off a chunk of Ukraine. It is a massive, multi-axis conventional assault from north, east and south designed to destroy the Ukrainian armed forces, capture the state of Ukraine, install a puppet government and then incorporate it into the Russian Federation. Expect to see untold human suffering: appalling civilian and military casualties; massive destruction of cities and towns; countless refugees and a humanitarian catastrophe.
The implications could not be more far-reaching — and not only for the people of Ukraine. First, it is a real and present threat to the Nato alliance. War has a dynamic of its own which, once embarked on, cannot be controlled. We should be ready for the worst: an attack by Russia from an occupied Ukraine or from Putin’s puppet state Belarus against a Nato member state. Here, after all, is the man who called for a new Yalta deal as “the most appropriate security settlement for Europe” — code for the re-establishment of Russian control in the former Warsaw Pact countries of eastern Europe, all of which are Nato members.
If one Russian soldier steps across an inch of Nato territory, it means that all 30 member states will be at war with Russia. Under Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, “an armed attack on one is an attack on all”. It also could mean nuclear war because Russia integrates nuclear thinking into every aspect of its military doctrine. Witness Putin’s chilling warning this week that anyone “who tries to stand in our way” will face “consequences you have never encountered in your history”.
The only way to preserve the peace left in Europe is effective deterrence; conventional and nuclear. Under strong and unswerving US leadership Nato must man the ramparts on its eastern flank. The alliance must demonstrate unequivocally that it is ready and able to defend its land borders, airspace and sea lines of communication with capable, credible armed forces — and it must communicate that message to Putin.
Thus far we have seen only token reinforcement. Mobilising and moving the levels of force required is a major challenge for Nato. Thanks to the cumulative disarmament in Europe of the past decade and half, there is not a single Nato nation, apart from the USA, which could put into the field the minimum requirement of a fighting division of three brigades plus all the combat support and logistics (around 25,000 men and women) at anything like the speed needed to deter Putin. Nonetheless, this is the challenge which must be met, whatever the cost.
Next, we must support Ukraine. We cannot put Nato forces on the ground there or into the air above it. That would guarantee the start of the third world war. But we can provide equipment and other indirect support for as long as the Ukrainian armed forces can keep up the fight. Thereafter, assuming that Russia will eventually prevail, it means supporting, equipping and financing a resistance movement to set Ukraine ablaze and tie down the Russians in a long-term fight against an insurgency they can never win, and which will ultimately lead to Putin’s downfall.
Meanwhile the pressure must be kept up on the diplomatic front in the UN and, on the economic and financial front, with sanctions. The latter must go for the Russian financial and economic jugular. And if these sanctions are harsh enough to hurt us in the west too, then that is part of the cost we must pay to undermine the Putin regime. We must not forget that we face an existential fight and, accordingly, we must be prepared to make sacrifices.
This unprovoked and vicious assault has changed everything. And western allies are in for the long haul. At best, we should expect a new cold war for at least a generation on Nato’s eastern flank. At worst, we must be prepared for outright war with Russia. Above all, remember the line from the Roman general Vegetius: Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum — therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.
The writer, a retired General in the British Army and author of ‘2017 War with Russia’, was Nato’s Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe.
FT - 25 02 22, Richard Shirreff
At a single stroke, Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has announced a new era for Europe. Russia’s unprovoked attack on its democratic neighbour is nothing less than the return of what Otto von Bismarck called “the politics of iron and blood” to Europe. The world that we knew before February 24, in which the rights of sovereign states to live in peace was guaranteed by a respect for international law without armed force, has gone for ever.
This is the return of warfare on a scale we have not seen since the second world war, a return to state-on-state warfare, a massive, premeditated, merciless and cruel assault by an ageing, isolated, nuclear-armed autocrat determined to re-establish Russian power in the former Soviet empire and to bend their populations to his will.
Let us not be fooled. This is no limited attack to bite off a chunk of Ukraine. It is a massive, multi-axis conventional assault from north, east and south designed to destroy the Ukrainian armed forces, capture the state of Ukraine, install a puppet government and then incorporate it into the Russian Federation. Expect to see untold human suffering: appalling civilian and military casualties; massive destruction of cities and towns; countless refugees and a humanitarian catastrophe.
The implications could not be more far-reaching — and not only for the people of Ukraine. First, it is a real and present threat to the Nato alliance. War has a dynamic of its own which, once embarked on, cannot be controlled. We should be ready for the worst: an attack by Russia from an occupied Ukraine or from Putin’s puppet state Belarus against a Nato member state. Here, after all, is the man who called for a new Yalta deal as “the most appropriate security settlement for Europe” — code for the re-establishment of Russian control in the former Warsaw Pact countries of eastern Europe, all of which are Nato members.
If one Russian soldier steps across an inch of Nato territory, it means that all 30 member states will be at war with Russia. Under Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, “an armed attack on one is an attack on all”. It also could mean nuclear war because Russia integrates nuclear thinking into every aspect of its military doctrine. Witness Putin’s chilling warning this week that anyone “who tries to stand in our way” will face “consequences you have never encountered in your history”.
The only way to preserve the peace left in Europe is effective deterrence; conventional and nuclear. Under strong and unswerving US leadership Nato must man the ramparts on its eastern flank. The alliance must demonstrate unequivocally that it is ready and able to defend its land borders, airspace and sea lines of communication with capable, credible armed forces — and it must communicate that message to Putin.
Thus far we have seen only token reinforcement. Mobilising and moving the levels of force required is a major challenge for Nato. Thanks to the cumulative disarmament in Europe of the past decade and half, there is not a single Nato nation, apart from the USA, which could put into the field the minimum requirement of a fighting division of three brigades plus all the combat support and logistics (around 25,000 men and women) at anything like the speed needed to deter Putin. Nonetheless, this is the challenge which must be met, whatever the cost.
Next, we must support Ukraine. We cannot put Nato forces on the ground there or into the air above it. That would guarantee the start of the third world war. But we can provide equipment and other indirect support for as long as the Ukrainian armed forces can keep up the fight. Thereafter, assuming that Russia will eventually prevail, it means supporting, equipping and financing a resistance movement to set Ukraine ablaze and tie down the Russians in a long-term fight against an insurgency they can never win, and which will ultimately lead to Putin’s downfall.
Meanwhile the pressure must be kept up on the diplomatic front in the UN and, on the economic and financial front, with sanctions. The latter must go for the Russian financial and economic jugular. And if these sanctions are harsh enough to hurt us in the west too, then that is part of the cost we must pay to undermine the Putin regime. We must not forget that we face an existential fight and, accordingly, we must be prepared to make sacrifices.
This unprovoked and vicious assault has changed everything. And western allies are in for the long haul. At best, we should expect a new cold war for at least a generation on Nato’s eastern flank. At worst, we must be prepared for outright war with Russia. Above all, remember the line from the Roman general Vegetius: Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum — therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by sandinista on Feb 25, 2022 23:34:34 GMT 1, I know this is an art forum but i cant think about art at the moment apart from wanting artists to target putin in their art or pro Ukraine. This affects us art collectors as well. Is art a safe haven like gold? Are you thinking i should spend money elsewhere? Sell my art and move to new zealand? Your oension is being whacked if in the stock market, you will be paying £3k for energy, £2 a litre fuel, £5 a loaf of bread. Does art matter at the moment?
I know this is an art forum but i cant think about art at the moment apart from wanting artists to target putin in their art or pro Ukraine. This affects us art collectors as well. Is art a safe haven like gold? Are you thinking i should spend money elsewhere? Sell my art and move to new zealand? Your oension is being whacked if in the stock market, you will be paying £3k for energy, £2 a litre fuel, £5 a loaf of bread. Does art matter at the moment?
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 23:41:27 GMT 1, I know this is an art forum but i cant think about art at the moment apart from wanting artists to target putin in their art or pro Ukraine. This affects us art collectors as well. Is art a safe haven like gold? Are you thinking i should spend money elsewhere? Sell my art and move to new zealand? Your oension is being whacked if in the stock market, you will be paying £3k for energy, £2 a litre fuel, £5 a loaf of bread. Does art matter at the moment?
That's an interesting question
Art to me is a hobby, a place to switch off, relaxing, a get way from normal stuff, a little like exercise. i don't think of it as an income, an issue other than fun. if, to You it's more than that, then yes maybe get out of it and turn it to cash, but art will always be art, don't blame art.
I know this is an art forum but i cant think about art at the moment apart from wanting artists to target putin in their art or pro Ukraine. This affects us art collectors as well. Is art a safe haven like gold? Are you thinking i should spend money elsewhere? Sell my art and move to new zealand? Your oension is being whacked if in the stock market, you will be paying £3k for energy, £2 a litre fuel, £5 a loaf of bread. Does art matter at the moment? That's an interesting question Art to me is a hobby, a place to switch off, relaxing, a get way from normal stuff, a little like exercise. i don't think of it as an income, an issue other than fun. if, to You it's more than that, then yes maybe get out of it and turn it to cash, but art will always be art, don't blame art.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Viennese on Feb 26, 2022 0:25:21 GMT 1, I heard something about Chernobyl radiation increasing. Whats all that about?
But only slightly. It is probably due to raised dust
I heard something about Chernobyl radiation increasing. Whats all that about? But only slightly. It is probably due to raised dust
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everyoneowes
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by everyoneowes on Feb 26, 2022 0:25:52 GMT 1, The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported .
The biggest spike was recorded close to the damaged reactor.
The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported .
The biggest spike was recorded close to the damaged reactor.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Viennese on Feb 26, 2022 0:28:31 GMT 1,
Li-hill is also sharing ways to help Ukraine in his stories. Where to donate etc.
Li-hill is also sharing ways to help Ukraine in his stories. Where to donate etc.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 2:31:37 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon.
This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please.
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon.
This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please.
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d.r. perseus
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 2:56:18 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please.
If you want an art forum that doesn’t discuss war, consider one that is filled by Thomas Kinkade fans and not one that is named after banksy.
Some people have no place to vent and want to talk about it.
Finally…. War IS art related
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. If you want an art forum that doesn’t discuss war, consider one that is filled by Thomas Kinkade fans and not one that is named after banksy. Some people have no place to vent and want to talk about it. Finally…. War IS art related
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d.r. perseus
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 2:57:25 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please.
You. Previously last online 2014.
Posting location, Moscow.
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. You. Previously last online 2014. Posting location, Moscow.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 3:01:36 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. You. Previously last online 2014. Posting location, Moscow. Last online not in 2014 lol.. but I'm from Moscow yes and well known here and have relatives and friends in Ukraine. Want to continue?
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. You. Previously last online 2014. Posting location, Moscow. Last online not in 2014 lol.. but I'm from Moscow yes and well known here and have relatives and friends in Ukraine. Want to continue?
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d.r. perseus
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 3:07:01 GMT 1, You. Previously last online 2014. Posting location, Moscow. Last online not in 2014 lol.. but I'm from Moscow yes and well known here and have relatives and friends in Ukraine. Want to continue?
Oh shit! Yea I do.
If you’re so in the know, inform. People that desire to Silence discussion do not reflect the artists that are foundational to this art forum.
You. Previously last online 2014. Posting location, Moscow. Last online not in 2014 lol.. but I'm from Moscow yes and well known here and have relatives and friends in Ukraine. Want to continue? Oh shit! Yea I do. If you’re so in the know, inform. People that desire to Silence discussion do not reflect the artists that are foundational to this art forum.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Masong on Feb 26, 2022 3:11:16 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. Is this art related?
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. Is this art related?
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 3:14:02 GMT 1, Last online not in 2014 lol.. but I'm from Moscow yes and well known here and have relatives and friends in Ukraine. Want to continue? Oh shit! Yea I do. If you’re so in the know, inform. People that desire to Silence discussion do not reflect the artists that are foundational to this art forum. What do you want to know? It's all very complicated and I see a lot of healthy comments here.
Last online not in 2014 lol.. but I'm from Moscow yes and well known here and have relatives and friends in Ukraine. Want to continue? Oh shit! Yea I do. If you’re so in the know, inform. People that desire to Silence discussion do not reflect the artists that are foundational to this art forum. What do you want to know? It's all very complicated and I see a lot of healthy comments here.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 3:18:15 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. Is this art related? I know Waone well.. thanks. He is not in Ukraine now. It's all very sad and I don't like it and not supporting anything war related from any side and any country in the world. Russian people and Ukraine people wasn't asked for their opinion when it's all started. And it started years ago.
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. Is this art related? I know Waone well.. thanks. He is not in Ukraine now. It's all very sad and I don't like it and not supporting anything war related from any side and any country in the world. Russian people and Ukraine people wasn't asked for their opinion when it's all started. And it started years ago.
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d.r. perseus
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 3:19:23 GMT 1, Oh shit! Yea I do. If you’re so in the know, inform. People that desire to Silence discussion do not reflect the artists that are foundational to this art forum. What do you want to know? It's all very complicated and I see a lot of healthy comments here.
I have few questions but appreciate your openness. As an aside I was wrong about your engagement here. The profile page lied.
I’m just curious about general Russian sentiment with regard to the conflict. I ask a general question as I’m here to learn.
Oh shit! Yea I do. If you’re so in the know, inform. People that desire to Silence discussion do not reflect the artists that are foundational to this art forum. What do you want to know? It's all very complicated and I see a lot of healthy comments here. I have few questions but appreciate your openness. As an aside I was wrong about your engagement here. The profile page lied. I’m just curious about general Russian sentiment with regard to the conflict. I ask a general question as I’m here to learn.
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seqret
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 3:26:55 GMT 1, What do you want to know? It's all very complicated and I see a lot of healthy comments here. I have few questions but appreciate your openness. As an aside I was wrong about your engagement here. The profile page lied. I’m just curious about general Russian sentiment with regard to the conflict. I ask a general question as I’m here to learn. How can we support the conflict if both Ukraine and Russia were one country and both side speak Russian? Hence I said it's all very complicated. Of course there are exceptions on both sides (nationalists in Ukraine and dumbs in Russia). We have friends, families and relatives in both countries. So don't believe everything you see on TV. It's all very very wrong and conflict need to be stopped.
What do you want to know? It's all very complicated and I see a lot of healthy comments here. I have few questions but appreciate your openness. As an aside I was wrong about your engagement here. The profile page lied. I’m just curious about general Russian sentiment with regard to the conflict. I ask a general question as I’m here to learn. How can we support the conflict if both Ukraine and Russia were one country and both side speak Russian? Hence I said it's all very complicated. Of course there are exceptions on both sides (nationalists in Ukraine and dumbs in Russia). We have friends, families and relatives in both countries. So don't believe everything you see on TV. It's all very very wrong and conflict need to be stopped.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Adam The Collector on Feb 26, 2022 3:28:26 GMT 1, Praying without ceasing for everyone involved, makes me sick to my stomach...
Praying without ceasing for everyone involved, makes me sick to my stomach...
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 3:31:26 GMT 1, At the same time we're tired of propaganda that Russia is evil. Everyone who've been here including big name artists are saying different things. But thats another story.
At the same time we're tired of propaganda that Russia is evil. Everyone who've been here including big name artists are saying different things. But thats another story.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 3:52:58 GMT 1, How can we support the conflict if both Ukraine and Russia were one country and both side speak Russian? Hence I said it's all very complicated. Of course there are exceptions on both sides (nationalists in Ukraine and dumbs in Russia). We have friends, families and relatives in both countries. So don't believe everything you see on TV. . Both weren’t one country. Never were as far as I can discern. Is dissent a realistic position from within Russia? Ukraine was part of USSR until 1991. Since then independent. Like I said most Russians don't want this conflict. If you think we're happy with it you're all nuts, sorry
How can we support the conflict if both Ukraine and Russia were one country and both side speak Russian? Hence I said it's all very complicated. Of course there are exceptions on both sides (nationalists in Ukraine and dumbs in Russia). We have friends, families and relatives in both countries. So don't believe everything you see on TV. . Both weren’t one country. Never were as far as I can discern. Is dissent a realistic position from within Russia? Ukraine was part of USSR until 1991. Since then independent. Like I said most Russians don't want this conflict. If you think we're happy with it you're all nuts, sorry
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d.r. perseus
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 4:00:02 GMT 1, . Both weren’t one country. Never were as far as I can discern. Is dissent a realistic position from within Russia? Ukraine was part of USSR until 1991. Since then independent. Like I said most Russians don't want this conflict. If you think we're happy with it you're all nuts, sorry
USSR isn’t Russia. I don’t think you’re happy. Most people are distressed by the events in the Ukraine. May your family and Friends stay safe.
Also you don’t answer my question.
. Both weren’t one country. Never were as far as I can discern. Is dissent a realistic position from within Russia? Ukraine was part of USSR until 1991. Since then independent. Like I said most Russians don't want this conflict. If you think we're happy with it you're all nuts, sorry USSR isn’t Russia. I don’t think you’re happy. Most people are distressed by the events in the Ukraine. May your family and Friends stay safe. Also you don’t answer my question.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by seqret on Feb 26, 2022 4:07:00 GMT 1, Ukraine was part of USSR until 1991. Since then independent. Like I said most Russians don't want this conflict. If you think we're happy with it you're all nuts, sorry USSR isn’t Russia. I don’t think you’re happy. Most people are distressed by the events in the Ukraine. May your family and Friends stay safe. Also you don’t answer my question. I was born in Moscow, USSR, had USSR passport, now I live in Moscow, Russia. Same city, different country. My father was born in Kyiv, USSR. Had passport of USSR country.
Hope everyone involved will be safe
Sorry I didn't get your last question. 6am here
Ukraine was part of USSR until 1991. Since then independent. Like I said most Russians don't want this conflict. If you think we're happy with it you're all nuts, sorry USSR isn’t Russia. I don’t think you’re happy. Most people are distressed by the events in the Ukraine. May your family and Friends stay safe. Also you don’t answer my question. I was born in Moscow, USSR, had USSR passport, now I live in Moscow, Russia. Same city, different country. My father was born in Kyiv, USSR. Had passport of USSR country. Hope everyone involved will be safe Sorry I didn't get your last question. 6am here
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Masong on Feb 26, 2022 4:17:40 GMT 1, At the same time we're tired of propaganda that Russia is evil. Everyone who've been here including big name artists are saying different things. But thats another story.
Nobody blames the whole nation and it’s people simply because of its leaders decisions. The Russian people will also suffer long term for the choices that they never made .There are very few people in this world that want what is happening. I’m not interested in a political argument at all. This whole thing is a disaster for everyone. All I know is that if any nato nations get involved (attacked) we’re all fûcked.
At the same time we're tired of propaganda that Russia is evil. Everyone who've been here including big name artists are saying different things. But thats another story. Nobody blames the whole nation and it’s people simply because of its leaders decisions. The Russian people will also suffer long term for the choices that they never made .There are very few people in this world that want what is happening. I’m not interested in a political argument at all. This whole thing is a disaster for everyone. All I know is that if any nato nations get involved (attacked) we’re all fûcked.
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d.r. perseus
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 4:24:11 GMT 1, USSR isn’t Russia. I don’t think you’re happy. Most people are distressed by the events in the Ukraine. May your family and Friends stay safe. Also you don’t answer my question. I was born in Moscow, USSR, had USSR passport, now I live in Moscow, Russia. Same city, different country. My father was born in Kyiv, USSR. Had passport of USSR country. Hope everyone involved will be safe Sorry I didn't get your last question. 6am here
A lot of double speak and obfuscation. Everyone involved (does this also include for you the Russian aggressors?) won’t be safe. Your USSR is gone and your Russia is attacking and killing Ukrainians. . Don’t believe everything you read #putinproud
USSR isn’t Russia. I don’t think you’re happy. Most people are distressed by the events in the Ukraine. May your family and Friends stay safe. Also you don’t answer my question. I was born in Moscow, USSR, had USSR passport, now I live in Moscow, Russia. Same city, different country. My father was born in Kyiv, USSR. Had passport of USSR country. Hope everyone involved will be safe Sorry I didn't get your last question. 6am here A lot of double speak and obfuscation. Everyone involved (does this also include for you the Russian aggressors?) won’t be safe. Your USSR is gone and your Russia is attacking and killing Ukrainians. . Don’t believe everything you read #putinproud
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by d.r. perseus on Feb 26, 2022 4:33:57 GMT 1, Also F@ck Putin.
Also F@ck Putin.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Jules Leotard on Feb 26, 2022 5:07:46 GMT 1, At the same time we're tired of propaganda that Russia is evil. Everyone who've been here including big name artists are saying different things. But thats another story. Nobody blames the whole nation and it’s people simply because of its leaders decisions. The Russian people will also suffer long term for the choices that they never made .There are very few people in this world that want what is happening. I’m not interested in a political argument at all. This whole thing is a disaster for everyone. All I know is that if any nato nations get involved (attacked) we’re all fûcked. Yeah, but part of the problem is that by rolling so many of the countries into NATO and the EU from that region, we also tied the hands of most of the countries that would have been "first responders."
At the same time we're tired of propaganda that Russia is evil. Everyone who've been here including big name artists are saying different things. But thats another story. Nobody blames the whole nation and it’s people simply because of its leaders decisions. The Russian people will also suffer long term for the choices that they never made .There are very few people in this world that want what is happening. I’m not interested in a political argument at all. This whole thing is a disaster for everyone. All I know is that if any nato nations get involved (attacked) we’re all fûcked. Yeah, but part of the problem is that by rolling so many of the countries into NATO and the EU from that region, we also tied the hands of most of the countries that would have been "first responders."
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Lroy on Feb 26, 2022 5:41:50 GMT 1, You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. If you want an art forum that doesn’t discuss war, consider one that is filled by Thomas Kinkade fans and not one that is named after banksy. Some people have no place to vent and want to talk about it. Finally…. War IS art related
With Spontaneity, not intentionally il always paint about wars and victims. Because it’s an emergency since years now ( Balkan Yugoslavia , Afgahistan etc etc ).. about butchers and meat too. About Reality ? I don’t know as if my consciousness was telling me to paint fire and red … Anyway, in reality it is more dramatics I know but why painters never denounce war ? ( not only cops or armies, but disaster humanity and of course, the people )..
* weird the title of this thread : Putin is not only a fuck off, he is not alone ( to decide , to agree etc ) , not so easy and we can’t resume all this by a fuck off Putin even if …. Yes he is a dictator , not a simple lamda politic guy
Insomnia…
You know almost nothing about both Russians and Ukranians. Hope it will ends soon. This is an art forum first and lets keep it art related please. If you want an art forum that doesn’t discuss war, consider one that is filled by Thomas Kinkade fans and not one that is named after banksy. Some people have no place to vent and want to talk about it. Finally…. War IS art related With Spontaneity, not intentionally il always paint about wars and victims. Because it’s an emergency since years now ( Balkan Yugoslavia , Afgahistan etc etc ).. about butchers and meat too. About Reality ? I don’t know as if my consciousness was telling me to paint fire and red … Anyway, in reality it is more dramatics I know but why painters never denounce war ? ( not only cops or armies, but disaster humanity and of course, the people ).. * weird the title of this thread : Putin is not only a fuck off, he is not alone ( to decide , to agree etc ) , not so easy and we can’t resume all this by a fuck off Putin even if …. Yes he is a dictator , not a simple lamda politic guy Insomnia…
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Poly Mindset
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Poly Mindset on Feb 26, 2022 5:48:20 GMT 1, Nobody blames the whole nation and it’s people simply because of its leaders decisions. The Russian people will also suffer long term for the choices that they never made .There are very few people in this world that want what is happening. I’m not interested in a political argument at all. This whole thing is a disaster for everyone. All I know is that if any nato nations get involved (attacked) we’re all fûcked. Yeah, but part of the problem is that by rolling so many of the countries into NATO and the EU from that region, we also tied the hands of most of the countries that would have been "first responders."
I can't believe the Chechans are moving to help Russia on this. What is needed is for the Chechans and Georgians to come to the assistance of Ukraine. Ukraine needs to send some troops into Russia to rattle them.
This is a very dangerous situation which may in the end lead to nuclear weapons (God I hope not). With Putin being the aggressor and the possibility of any kind of hint at nuclear engagement which Putin has already alluded to my question is simply this: How can any Russian citizen believe in what Putin is doing? He is putting all of their lives on the line for his fucked up evil ego. If the nuclear shit hits the fan yes we are all fucked including all the Russians. He is playing with their lives like a toy. I would think there would be more protests in Russia from Russian exclusively for self preservation. Remember that song that Sting did " Russians" I think the Russians love their children but Putin doesn't give a shit about them. So again, how can the Russian people support any of this Putin aggression?
Nobody blames the whole nation and it’s people simply because of its leaders decisions. The Russian people will also suffer long term for the choices that they never made .There are very few people in this world that want what is happening. I’m not interested in a political argument at all. This whole thing is a disaster for everyone. All I know is that if any nato nations get involved (attacked) we’re all fûcked. Yeah, but part of the problem is that by rolling so many of the countries into NATO and the EU from that region, we also tied the hands of most of the countries that would have been "first responders."
I can't believe the Chechans are moving to help Russia on this. What is needed is for the Chechans and Georgians to come to the assistance of Ukraine. Ukraine needs to send some troops into Russia to rattle them.
This is a very dangerous situation which may in the end lead to nuclear weapons (God I hope not). With Putin being the aggressor and the possibility of any kind of hint at nuclear engagement which Putin has already alluded to my question is simply this: How can any Russian citizen believe in what Putin is doing? He is putting all of their lives on the line for his fucked up evil ego. If the nuclear shit hits the fan yes we are all fucked including all the Russians. He is playing with their lives like a toy. I would think there would be more protests in Russia from Russian exclusively for self preservation. Remember that song that Sting did " Russians" I think the Russians love their children but Putin doesn't give a shit about them. So again, how can the Russian people support any of this Putin aggression?
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Gentle Mental on Feb 26, 2022 5:49:21 GMT 1, Sanctions are the “thoughts and prayers” of this crisis.
The stock market rebounded with their best day in a long while.
Everybody clicks and comments.
Nobody really wants to fight the rapist.
We‘ll just threaten to block his credit card.
Sad.
Sanctions are the “thoughts and prayers” of this crisis.
The stock market rebounded with their best day in a long while.
Everybody clicks and comments.
Nobody really wants to fight the rapist.
We‘ll just threaten to block his credit card.
Sad.
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Viennese
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October 2020
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇦, by Viennese on Feb 26, 2022 8:38:50 GMT 1, The Ukranians are free, the Russians are not. Soon they will both be unfree.
The Ukranians are free, the Russians are not. Soon they will both be unfree.
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